Haven't spoken to either councils about this, but I can tell you that there was serious discussion during C2012 at the MEC administration level of putting Council 20 (DTW) under receivership via Article 8 of the ALPA constitution. That would have meant the elected leadership removed and ALPA national running the council. That's how angry that MEC administration was at council 20 for producing con papers and dissenting views. That could very well be happening again. If so, I hope those councils speak up anyway.

Carl

OK, get those two S's confused.

That's really sad if that happened and is happening. It just further indicts this current MEC as being dishonest. If what they are selling is accurate, it can stand up to a proper pro/con. I used to be a strong supporter of our union. The way they are acting now is outrageous and more like a dictatorship than a union representing the people.

I'm not sure that is much of a selling point frankly. It means we will, once again, be pattern bargaining off of ourselves. I don't expect any help from SWA. FDX is a darkhorse, and UAL is um. Yeah.

Easy, we help our company if there is true need. We've always done that. The mistake we made was not demanding snap-back provisions in bankruptcy. Our unions did not even ask for that because it was ALPA national's position that snap-back clauses word harm the airline if they became profitable again. Not kidding. Can you imagine the angst this would saved this pilot group once the industry got a hand on how to be profitable?

That's what makes profit sharing so important. During bad times, the company doesn't pay it. During good times, we don't have to negotiate for it.

I'm honest too, but I've had some bad health luck in my career. During that bad luck, I've never had to turn over my privacy rights. Now I will...if I want to be paid that is.

As others have said, HQ jobs aren't comparable. Pretty sure HQ guys don't work weekends, holidays and miss much of their children's growing up.

OK.

Carl

That's because I didn't think that part of your post was total BS. The rest was.

Carl

Money is not "first" for everyone.

Appreciate the kind words, I just think we have much smarter people here that would do a great job. But first we'd have to get rid of the antiquated process of electing an MEC chairman. It should be a vote of the full membership.

Carl

You do realize that the LCA thing cuts into those raises as your earning potential will be less due to less GS and WS due to increased rsvs? If you're right seat, that will directly affect the trip quality you can hold as well.