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bender.....if you have been informed of some historical record of the delta pilot group that for the last 30 years that has been something other than compliant, cooperative, and accommodating to the needs and desires of delta management..........I am sorry to be the one to let you know that you have been misinformed.
30 years ago....we wouldn't even be having this discussion...because there was no memrat...the mec simply went into a room with the company, came out with the agreement....and said "here it is guys...hope you like it". Frankly....not too much has changed in all that time. You have a nice day too. And stop worrying....this ta, just like ALL the others in the history of this pilot group......will pass. Im guessing a respectable 55/45......so the mec can claim a 'hard fought' victory. |
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1906461)
That's just a silly argument. Your boys will hire "professional" hired guns that have no idea what is involved in our day to day life. Even when you explain it to them, they still do not know what it is actually like to live our lives. But then again, they are so much smarter than the average pilot I guess they would get instantly.
The reason it's important to hire professional negotiators is precisely because of their detachment. You give them your inviolate items and what you must gain, then you turn them loose to do their jobs in an ice cold and completely detached manner. It's the same reason you never use your own staff attorneys to sue or defend yourself in a suit. You hire outside litigators to do that because your own attorneys are too personally attached.
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1906461)
Our guys hire consultants that understand legal jargon and ramifications and how contractual language works.
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1906461)
Your guys have no skin in the game because all they would be is mercenaries, and once you pay them, they have not to endure one second of the contract they negotiate.
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1906461)
I prefer the way it's done now. Of course your perspective is that our negotiators are blithering idiots and they sell us down the river for some bizarre reason, (even though THEY live under this contract just like you and I do)
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1906461)
and nothing they do would satisfy your bloodlust for dALPA's demise anyway, so why do I even bother?
Carl |
Originally Posted by Sounds
(Post 1906534)
The NMB can't park us sure. But they have presidential ellections all 2016, and a year delegated to transition afterwords. So yeah, legally they will be "working" on our mediation, but honestly do you think a single thing will get done?
Even if this is true, how is continuing with C2012 in the meantime a bad thing vs. voting yes and locking in the concessions in the current proposal? |
Originally Posted by Moondog
(Post 1906405)
We are coming from a position of strength due to record profits...
... and the fact that the pilot group has not made up for the concessionary contracts of yore. "We got screwed in the past, so we feel that we should get more this time" |
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1906467)
The new Negotiators Notepad on sick leave changes is in everyone's inbox now.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1906537)
First of all, I don't have boys. You're like an old scratched up record that keeps skipping and playing the same tune.
The reason it's important to hire professional negotiators is precisely because of their detachment. You give them your inviolate items and what you must gain, then you turn them loose to do their jobs in an ice cold and completely detached manner. It's the same reason you never use your own staff attorneys to sue or defend yourself in a suit. You hire outside litigators to do that because your own attorneys are too personally attached. The guys we use are the same guys that used to work directly for ALPA. They outsourced those folks now. This is not how you do things if you actually want to win. See above. You're a stuck mic on the frequency and not even listening. They only negotiate what you tell them you must have. Why should they care about living under the contract? They only do what you've asked of them. And they never cry. They're not blithering idiots at all. They just signed a TA that did NOT meet the direction of the MEC. Why they did that (again) is unknowable. One other thing tsquare, negotiating is a full time admin position. Many of them are on full time flight pay loss. They don't live under our contract. Quite the contrary. I want ALPA to change. I demand they return to their roots as a labor union. I'm using ALL the tools at my disposal to achieve that. Despite the name calling from people like you. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1906545)
And is full of half-truths and conjecture. We only need the actual TA language itself. Not administration spin to get this passed at all costs. The more the admin's put out stuff like this, the more angry it's going to make line pilots. They've been told to stop acting like used car salesmen, but they just can't do it. Bad move.
Carl |
Originally Posted by SayAlt
(Post 1906543)
All spelling aside...
Even if this is true, how is continuing with C2012 in the meantime a bad thing vs. voting yes and locking in the concessions in the current proposal? What is the biggest concession to you? I'm not of a fan of the TA's proposed solution to sick leave, but the company isn't going to agree to anything that doesn't address it in some fashion. I'm open to alternatives. |
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1906500)
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1906552)
More one-sided BS. This will not help the MEC Administration.
Carl Again, no substance to your argument. Please educate us oh exalted one of higher knowledge. |
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