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Originally Posted by Trip7
(Post 1906232)
Because negotiations is not about what you think you deserve, it's what you can negotiate. If a professional negotiator says we've extracted maximum value, and I see all my colleagues around me(FDX/SWA/UPS) getting stomped on, I believe him!
Telling a professional negotiator you believe we can get 15-20% ahead is like a pax coming to your airplane after a wind shear related diversion and stating the weather isn't so bad you could have made it! I'm sorry I couldn't be more specific about 3 years down the road. I truly apologize. We both have 30+ years left but our views are very different https://youtu.be/StTqXEQ2l-Y |
Originally Posted by Sounds
(Post 1906402)
we are in a position of weakness at the negotiating table. Neither the company nor the NMB will take our side. That is one of the costs for having a smooth, early, and leading contract.
Why are you undermining our leverage? |
We have a problem. In the past, you hardly ever meet a YES voter. There are none, until the vote is counted. These forums slam yes voters, and no mistake, there are 51%. They're sitting next to you, the chances are more than half the pilots you fly with will end up voting yes.
We are living in historic times, never has Delta made this much money, paid dividends or dreamed of buying back stock. Keep the message simple. Because when the company isn't doing this well, we all know they'll be demanding 40% of your pay rates and everything else they can grab. They'll shop for the best judge they can find to order it, they'll hire the best law firm to do their dirty work. This is our time to take back what was stolen under the darkness of bankruptcy. |
Originally Posted by qball
(Post 1906155)
Then not only will you not have profit sharing...they will come after your paycheck. It's happened to all of us who have been around this business long enough. The first ask will be from your union to "save the company". The next reduction will come in BK. All of our pay is "at risk"
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Originally Posted by MtEverest
(Post 1906157)
Just remember, an A330, 757 or even A321neo equals one of these under the new TA. Don't let ALPA let tell you anything different.
Airbus mulls even bigger A380 planes - The Rakyat Post - The Rakyat Post Yeah, 380s are just flying off the shelves. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-aircraft.html http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel...-1227153634399 Just for starters. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1906425)
Our vacation is a cruel joke.
Delta 122:30 UAL 137 Alaska 143:30 UPS 175 FedEx 210 In this environment, why would we accept one minute less than Alaska? Fail. This is where Donatelli really damages his credibility. His own contract comparison shows us not leading the industry in any section. Yet he touts this as the most valuable contract in history. It makes you understand what a TOTAL waste of time it is to attend a road show. The purpose of them is not to inform, the purpose is to mislead. Carl |
Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley
(Post 1906438)
We have a problem. In the past, you hardly ever meet a YES voter. There are none, until the vote is counted. These forums slam yes voters, and no mistake, there are 51%. They're sitting next to you, the chances are more than half the pilots you fly with will end up voting yes.
We are living in historic times, never has Delta made this much money, paid dividends or dreamed of buying back stock. Keep the message simple. Because when the company isn't doing this well, we all know they'll be demanding 40% of your pay rates and everything else they can grab. They'll shop for the best judge they can find to order it, they'll hire the best law firm to do their dirty work. This is our time to take back what was stolen under the darkness of bankruptcy. |
Originally Posted by Sounds
(Post 1906402)
If this TA goes through, I have no doubt that the next TA will be a similar steady raise. 15-20%
Like you said though, as long as we lead the industry, we are in a position of weakness at the negotiating table. Neither the company nor the NMB will take our side. That is one of the costs for having a smooth, early, and leading contract. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1906238)
We don't employ professional negotiators.
Carl I prefer the way it's done now. Of course your perspective is that our negotiators are blithering idiots and they sell us down the river for some bizarre reason, (even though THEY live under this contract just like you and I do) and nothing they do would satisfy your bloodlust for dALPA's demise anyway, so why do I even bother? |
Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 1906330)
No apology needed.
It's hard to see the future clearly when you viewpoint is shortsighted and stymied with ulterior motives. |
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