Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1878095)

And that's democracy. I have no idea by the way if they are surrender monkeys or not, and I don't think we Will know for sure until there is, or isn't a complete package to look at. Either way, there is no doubt there has been several hard line candidates in each of the last elections that have failed to get the votes. Why? Is the will of the Atlanta pilots in line with the reps? Do the "hard liners" not vote, or are they in lesser numbers than we are to believe? If they are truly the majority, then this is where I think the DPA has failed. Promoting candidates (and getting them elected) while soliciting cards would have been a much better strategy to enhance the careers of those they seek to represent. Think about C44 alone. If they were to own 44, we could go down exactly the negotiating path that many here champion... Instead, best case by being disengaged, they have possibly delayed the results they believe achievable by several years at least. A victory at the table by their hand picked ALPA reps would have been the best selling point yet and have been better for the group while we wait for a change in our bargaining agent.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1878064)

What's the rush? Where's the fire?

Has to be a merger.

I've heard Captain Harwood is planning the SLI based on military service. Air Force pilots first.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1877905)

Look OFG, if you wish to only read what you want and ignore the rest, I'm not trying to stop you. Knock yourself out.

I've been hearing consistent items from multiple good sources. The C20 comments are backing up what I'm hearing. I've listed exactly why. Go back to your TV show. Nothing for you to see here.

Carl

Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 1878130)

I'll take that as a direct insult so: Up yours and your horses.

Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 1878130)

I read what you posted. ?

Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 1878130)

The C20 comments you posted say there is a full blown negotiating bypass effort in place?

Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 1878130)

I do watch TV a lot. At least I realize the X-Files isn't real. Go back to making up crap to support whatever the heck your agenda is. OFG

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1878136)

Take it however you want.



No you didn't, you only read what you wanted.



More proof you didn't read what I wrote or what they wrote. Sailingfun is trying to debunk these rumors by making the case that pay has yet to be discussed because the reps say it's what they've been TOLD. However, my reps are saying they HAVE NOT been briefed lately in any substantive way. That's a significant disconnect and supports the well sourced intel I'm getting. Exactly like C2012 went down.



Say hi to Oprah or Judge Judy.

Carl

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1878064)

What's the rush? Where's the fire?

Has to be a merger.

I've heard Captain Harwood is planning the SLI based on military service. Air Force pilots first.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 187810)

Regardless, welcome back Slowplay. I think you were the last holdout, so now we have the full surrender team back in time for C2015 here on APC.

Originally Posted by OldFlyGuy (Post 1878201)

I absolutely read it. Are you so delusional that you believe everything you speculate is reality? OK, here are my thoughts: a contract that does not clearly lead the industry will not pass and a process mess like you describe will end ALPA. I will donate money to see it happens. OFG

Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1878228)

True, the former Air Force guys are the first amongst the "Pilots" right behind all the former Naval "Aviators." :D

Scoop

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1878229)

Yep, just like that movie with Mary Poppins. "The Shills Are Alive..."