Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1886384)

Well, I see having the trip off with pay and not having to work with LCA flying as an easter egg in the contract that benefits a few, but not everyone. And yes, I've enjoyed a few of them and would probably in the future.

Not the same as the B scale because that was splitting the group into haves and have nots.

If recovery flying was reinstated, what would happen is that LCA trips would go junior again. Sometimes a junior FO would get a relatively senior trip because he wasn't able to "avoid LCAs". He/she may fly with the LCA or may get bought off and be subject to some sort of reserve commitment for the same time period which we all know means they are getting used.

My only point is that this particular easter egg, no matter how hard fought for, provides for the most identifiable inefficiency that the company could try and negotiate out of the contract again for the next decade.

That has a price, I think that Hockey said 2% across the board pay raise is not enough, but I suppose there is a number that a majority of the pilots would think is fair compensation for removing the easter egg.

I don't agree that comparing this to a B scale is accurate. That would be like saying that A319 pilots should make more than M90 pilots despite the fact that the M90 holds more revenue and commands more attention from it's pilots, that would be divisive!

Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1886462)

Wrong...It effects a very large number of first officers over time..As guys move on and upgrade it opens up bidding with LCA to more junior FO's. Not to mention the junior guys who have LCA swap into their trip..You sound like someone from ALPA trying to justify this concession. And it is a HUGE concession.

Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1886462)

Wrong...It effects a very large number of first officers over time..As guys move on and upgrade it opens up bidding with LCA to more junior FO's. Not to mention the junior guys who have LCA swap into their trip..You sound like someone from ALPA trying to justify this concession. And it is a HUGE concession.

Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1886477)

I agree. How many LCA do we have at Delta and how many trips do they bid on a monthly basis? It's a lot bigger than "a few".

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1886485)

My rep confirms the sales job strategy is being mapped out by the MEC.

It will precede the TA's release, with a repetitive "catchphrase" (think: Time Value of Money) bombarding us early and often to wear us down and distract us from all the concessions. Exactly like C12.

He said a TA may already have been reached, (possibly explaining the crying fit by the NC member), and holdout reps are being softened up to try to milk a more favorable final tally (currently 11-8). Everything the survey said not to touch...has been touched. 76 seaters, sick leave, profit sharing, LCA trips, and more. Pay has not been discussed at the MEC level. Pushing for 50%+1 from the pilot group, and not one vote more.

Apparently Harwood was berating a new rep, yelling and using multiple F-bombs, to pressure him to get on board.

BOHICA.

Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1886428)

I love this story.

Sell us your thoughts on including the AF/KLM grievance into C2015! How much do we get for that? I'm going to go buy a yacht.

The sad fact is these concessions are all self funding.

If Delta makes $500 trillion dollars a day do we still have to make concessions? Or whatever your calling them to make it hurt less.

Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1886472)

This is the problem with being a negotiator. You can't please all the constituents at once. Try convincing a 777A how "important" it is that a senior (and occasionally junior) FO should routinely expect to stay home and get paid for not working. Hint, you won't get far.

Conversely, try to convince a mid level 88 FO who was furloughed for 5 years how important it is to get even more vacation weeks for the senior widebody captains with 25+ years seniority!

Somewhere between all that they still have to negotiate a TA that will pass MEC muster and THEN the membership.

I don't envy the job.

Originally Posted by NERD (Post 1886492)

How and why does Harwood have so much influence and power?

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1886512)

Could be due to a weak and/or incompetent MEC Chairman.