Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1886289)

Not advocating it, but I can see why the company would want as this:

Lots of training coming up over the next decade +

Already behind on manpower to move the planes that they would like to move during favorable conditions.

Recapturing a certain amount of productivity (i.e. required work) of pilots displaced by IOE would allow for either less hiring and/or more flying with current pilot corps.

One man's concession is another's negotiation.


If your a negotiator and the deal is ready to go with current work rules and then the company says, recapture IOE displaced flying for an additional 2% across the board, what would you want your negotiator to do?

Say NO thank you? Say yes? Then the problem is how do you explain to the group that you had an immediate 10% raise negotiated but it was bumped to 12% based on IOE recovery flying?


What price is your "concession" worth?

Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1886272)

I will never understand why they negotiate items with no input in a vacuum. Apparently they have not seen smart phones yet. We could do a 12,000 pilot instant vote in two days.

Why negotiate LCA trips without first letting the membership know they were being talked about? I can't think of one reason.

The MEC may be going all honey badger again. Just don't GAS about the line guy.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1886259)

Yes you do Tsquare. You've stalked me here more than some crazy ex girlfriend.

Carl

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1886261)

On many issues, discussing the topic of the day and waging PR campaigns on Internet message boards is the only avenue the rank and file membership has to provide any input to the process before the TA is signed.

The MEC administration isn't going to publicly announce that they are negotiating any changes to the line check trip assignment system. It was not in the survey or any other documents published by ALPA.

These web boards are the only source we have.

12,000 people can't call their reps every day and ask "What's new in the negotiations?".

Guys who don't frequent these pages have no idea that first officers may lose the ability to bid trips with line check airmen. Or that those trips might be withheld from the F/O PBS run once a LCA is awarded them. That's something that a lot of pilots might have an opinion on and want to express that opinion to their reps.

We can argue about whether its a "done deal" but I think most pilots would like to at least be made aware that its under discussion.

The MEC administration is not communicating.
I'm grateful that Purple Drank is.

Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 1886295)

If CDO's were only paid at GS rates, what would the group vote on that?

Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1886288)

I understand about not negotiating in public. That's fine.

But just like the CDO/split duty thing -- this change to bidding with check airmen would be a pretty major change to our contract. There's no good reason to keep it secret. All they would have to do is put out a short memo saying that it is under consideration. No commitment one way or the other.

That wouldn't compromise the negotiations.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1886291)

We're in trouble. We need to get rid of ALPA before contract 2015 happens and more damage is done. I mean that. The organization is bought off and crooked.

Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1886297)

Funny stuff right there. Keep telling yourself that Carl. You are the schoolyard bully that my mom always told me about. When nobody pays you any attention, you will sit in the corner and cry. My concern is that new hires will buy into your line of tripe. I shouldn't worry about it though, because we hire guys that are smart enough to see you for what you are.

(And it was you that responded to my posts, remember? You are the one with the loneliness match.com complex)

See ya around stud.

Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1886291)

We're in trouble. We need to get rid of ALPA before contract 2015 happens and more damage is done. I mean that. The organization is bought off and crooked.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1886327)

Not going to happen man. All we can do now is pressure the hell out of our reps to perform their rightful role. Then vote NO on the TA if it's substandard. The MEC administration and their owners are absolutely convinced we don't have the stones to do that. RA is convinced labor risk is off the table. There's no other substitution than showing we have the guts.

Carl