Withholding trips from being awarded to FO's cannot be allowed to pass under any circumstance.

Think about it, you could be #1 in your category and not get any trip you bid. It'd be like playing poker with 45 cards in the deck and they don't tell you which 7 are missing.

See the edit to my post.

Yup. The solution in your edit would work just fine.

Bidding with a LCA, really, the entire subject affects what percentage of the whole pilot group. It's a red herring. Restore our pre BK contract. Contact your reps now.

They could, but that would cost them a revenue seat for the DHing pilot (First Class for TOEs), hotels, and per diem. A price worth paying to play hardball?

Fail. People on both sides of the pre-merger groups claim that they were screwed. Pretty common after an SLI.

If it's true that he dropped all his Delta trips and was paid for those dropped drips by DALPA flight pay loss, while working as a paid consultant for the United pilots, everyone can decide for themselves whether that's an example of corruption.

Regarding being ineffective, I don't think anyone has said that. He's very effective...at taking care of himself and acquiring personal power.

Given the above, your post is a 100% failure. Nice job.

Carl

Exactly right.

Carl

I imagine this would result in less pilot positions needed.

As C2015 continues to evolve, it is interesting to think about the comparison to 2012. Certainly we are in a much better environment and expectations are high. The MEC by their own admission, are in a better place than 2012 with regards to the info being provided to them from the negotiators and their ability to redirect. This may be somewhat of a double edged sword when it comes to a TA.. Why?

In 2012, the MEC (except for a few insiders) were kept mostly in the dark until 4833 (among other things) were sprung on them at the MEC meeting. Yes, there had been rumors and some members had actually reached out to the powers that be in attempt to at least provide a general overview of the situation (to the MEC) as it related to section 3 so the MEC could at least "own" the product. This did not happen.

Now, fast forward to 2015. The MEC seems to be in the loop and when and if a TA comes back, the reasoning for voting "yes" on a lesser product is much different because their involvement along the way compared to 2012. Certainly a few of the former regulars who are now involved and voted "no" to 2012, will have to "own" their "yes" vote and cant suggest that it was somehow outside their direction as reasoning. (Unless of course they get something sprung on them again)

I have no idea on the validity of the rumors that propagate here and on the other forum, but at this point I have to admit I am deeply concerned where this path may be leading. There is always compromise in any negotiation and there is always an equal and opposite reaction on contractual changes. Fixing something for one pilot often upsets another, so just because I may be unhappy about a "fix" doesn't mean that you won't be happy..... But, the good is going to have to STRONGLY outweigh the things I don't like in this TA (besides cash)... My confidence level ain't high right now.. I guess time will tell.

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