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Sink r8 05-23-2015 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1887383)
A little bit. :D

Yelling and screaming just to yell and scream waters down when it is actually time to yell and scream.

I think he reads like a smart and articulate guy, maybe even has a good sense of humor. I think he laughs his a$$ off at the gullibility of people who believe him when he goes overboard. Which unfortunately is almost nonstop when there is a political angle involved.

forgot to bid 05-23-2015 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by GenX (Post 1887179)
To beat a concessionary TA, don't focus on the MEC, etc. Just focus on the TA. Prove that keeping the current PS and using the retirements will help us. Get some statistics to show and make the case. Only reason harwood looks smart is because nobody showed up with any comparative statistics from a different view point. Einstein a genius, yup, .....harwood...definately not...just a man with statistics to support one point of view. Statistics only matter in which the context they are applied. Time value of money does not take a genius to prove. Prove the relevance of time value of money as compare to how many green slips that can happen due to a pilot shortage and an fantastic PS pay check.

Expect a significant amount of push back if you do try and analyze the math in a TA.

Carl Spackler 05-23-2015 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by pilotstats (Post 1887242)
No, it's your move deuce. I haven't done as you allege and my posts reflect that. Prove your argument. I'll stand by my words. Will you?

I'll say it again: I'm going to let others decide what your words mean after they read them. As I have done.

Carl

Carl Spackler 05-23-2015 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1887245)
Way to throw grenades with nothing to back it up.... That's a non-starter even amongst the moderate reps. This is all pablum tossed out by a known fear monger. Just stop with the rumor nonsense.

Yeah, like this stuff here:


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1887253)
The first proposals in section 1 were exchanged on 20 May. We have not even given the company a reply yet. Perhaps the rumors are about rumors on what might be in our rumored reply based on rumors of what might have been in managements opener!

This guy has no clue of what's happening in negotiations, yet here he is.

Carl

Check Essential 05-23-2015 06:20 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1887253)
The first proposals in section 1 were exchanged on 20 May. We have not even given the company a reply yet. Perhaps the rumors are about rumors on what might be in our rumored reply based on rumors of what might have been in managements opener!

How do you know what happened in the negotiations on May 20th?
I didn't see that in the update.

Apparently leaks are OK coming from one side but costly and destructive coming from the other side.

Flamer 05-23-2015 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1887508)
How do you know what happened in the negotiations on May 20th?
I didn't see that in the update.

Apparently leaks are OK coming from one side but costly and destructive coming from the other side.

Agreed. This is starting to feel like a season of the Sopranos.

Timbo 05-23-2015 09:14 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1887508)
How do you know what happened in the negotiations on May 20th?
I didn't see that in the update.

Apparently leaks are OK coming from one side but costly and destructive coming from the other side.

Well, why isn't the "Other Side" telling us their story?

NOBODY is refuting that the NC has already capitulated.

scambo1 05-24-2015 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1887597)
Well, why isn't the "Other Side" telling us their story?

NOBODY is refuting that the NC has already capitulated.

The last update read like they re-tweaked a couple items and then the TA is a done deal.

Fwiw, I expect it to be concessionary in the rumored areas. There's a little truth in everything.

Despite my disagreement with this approach, I'm a NO until I find the value to be a yes.

forgot to bid 05-24-2015 03:58 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1887628)
The last update read like they re-tweaked a couple items and then the TA is a done deal.

Fwiw, I expect it to be concessionary in the rumored areas. There's a little truth in everything.

Despite my disagreement with this approach, I'm a NO until I find the value to be a yes.

You mean you're going around unless you think it's safe to land.

Xray678 05-24-2015 04:22 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1887237)
I didn't see more DCI scope relief coming.

Here comes more 76 seat jets and possibly unlimited 70 seat jets.

And the sales job? We are parking all the 50 seaters!

I guess I'm just old school and I don't get it.

Why would we give up mainline flying during record profits?

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Normally, I would be against any scope concession. Right now though I don't think it's as big a deal. The regionals are short pilots. Instead of three 50 seaters, it takes fewer pilots to fly two 76 seaters. Even with a change like this I don't see us losing flying at the mainline.

I am more concerned with scope on the top end.

I will add if we don't do something to help the regionals cover their flying, there will be pressure on the FAA to raise the retirement age again. I sure as hell don't want that.


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