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Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1887696)
I guess you did not look closely enough. Go read the last contract update. Your apology is accepted after you read it.
I had not read that update. |
Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1887793)
I wish I could articulate just how ridiculous the usual suspects here look to the large majority that exist out there, outside the bubble universe of Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) that permeates this board. Sadly, I just have to admit defeat.
I thought at the time and I still believe that we got far less than we deserved and far less than the company could afford to pay. I think the corporation's financial performance has proven that correct. 4,8,3,3 paid for with profit sharing givebacks, productivity enhancements and including scope relaxation was not what I had in mind. Then there is the sacred "process". I was offended by what the administration did to get that TA past the MEC. The process was hijacked by a handful of powerful insiders. Both the reps AND the line pilots got blind-sided and manipulated. And here we are again with management pushing for a fast deal. I can't speak for anybody else but I am here banging on pots and pans in an attempt to keep the same thing from happening again. Most of the same people are still involved with ALPA in elected and (mostly) unelected positions. In my opinion, they have to be watched very closely or they will impose their judgment again. Sorry, but I don't trust them. Fool me once... |
New rumor: 13/9/5/5
13% DOS 9% 1/1/2016 5% 1/1/2017 5% 1/1/2018 And heels are dug in on keeping profit sharing same. From what I heard MEC has no plan to back down. |
Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1887793)
I wish I could articulate just how ridiculous the usual suspects here look to the large majority that exist out there, outside the bubble universe of Histrionic Personality Disorder (HPD) that permeates this board. Sadly, I just have to admit defeat. I am both embarrassed for the profession, and quite frankly dismayed that somehow these people have made it this far without blowing up or hurting others.
The dim bulbs will spark to life and will have something to say. Predictable. They just don't get that they exist in a special bubble universe separate from the rest of us. This post and the following is for all the others: Call your reps. The tepid spew served up here as factual fare is a farce. Don't settle for it. My recent and ongoing interaction with my reps does not reflect the reality that apparently exists here. Sorry, I don't subscribe to the idea that my reps lie and strategize in order to fool me and the rest of the pilot group in order to find a way to concede to management. I prefer a more elegant solution. I employ Occam's Razor and assume a handful of bent (HPD) individuals are doing what they must do. http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/...32/664/b61.gif |
Originally Posted by Moonshine
(Post 1887819)
New rumor: 13/9/5/5
13% DOS 9% 1/1/2016 5% 1/1/2017 5% 1/1/2018 And heels are dug in on keeping profit sharing same. From what I heard MEC has no plan to back down. I hope you're right. But this being your 1st post has me a little suspicious. No offense. |
Originally Posted by Moonshine
(Post 1887819)
New rumor: 13/9/5/5
13% DOS 9% 1/1/2016 5% 1/1/2017 5% 1/1/2018 And heels are dug in on keeping profit sharing same. From what I heard MEC has no plan to back down. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kJDg3S55wd...ula%2Bdoll.jpg |
Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez
(Post 1887236)
It's called being a professional. They are ALL, every last one of them, new to the airplane that they now find themselves on. I for one find it very refreshing that they are willing to work a little more to actually become better pilots.
We gave a staffing concession because we wanted to be professionals? Management was like "we don't care if you get paid to sit at home, thus driving the need for more pilot staffing and a larger training bubble" and we were like "aw come on boss, please let us fly before TOE so we can hone our skills and honor our sacred obligation to those entrusted in our care" and management was like "oh, I don't kow about that" and we were all "please! please let us fly, possibly for free, and in any case compulsory at your discretion not ours, for professionalism!" and they were like "sigh, fine, if it means that much to you…" And not being able to be scheduled for domestic flights prior to TOE is unprofessional? That's got to be the silliest hyperbole I've ever read on a forum. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were just trying to be sarcastic. |
Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1887237)
Here comes more 76 seat jets and possibly unlimited 70 seat jets.
And the sales job? We are parking all the 50 seaters! I think the first TA will see attempted scope concessions at DCI (and if so it should be a no vote on that issue alone) but not unlimited 70s. That would be a huge overplay of their hand and would do more to unify us over RJ scope than we otherwise would be. |
Originally Posted by shiznit
(Post 1887245)
Way to throw grenades with nothing to back it up.... That's a non-starter even amongst the moderate reps. This is all pablum tossed out by a known fear monger. Just stop with the rumor nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Xray678
(Post 1887660)
Normally, I would be against any scope concession. Right now though I don't think it's as big a deal. The regionals are short pilots. Instead of three 50 seaters, it takes fewer pilots to fly two 76 seaters. Even with a change like this I don't see us losing flying at the mainline.
I am more concerned with scope on the top end. I will add if we don't do something to help the regionals cover their flying, there will be pressure on the FAA to raise the retirement age again. I sure as hell don't want that. No deal. Automatic no vote. |
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