I missed the part where your hypothesis went from a "theory" to being "established." :D

Scoop

Anything is possible in the world of magic, scoop!

Touche'

Scoop :)

My modern logic professor from college is twitching right now. :)

Fine. Let's just rephrase that ESTABLISHED to, 'given my theory and its 99.99% likelihood of being laser-like spot on'. I think everyone can live with that.

You may prefer to have such a simplified metric, but I'd prefer a metric that includes my employer's current and potential profitability. American's contract was a gross undershoot (and they are swimming in debt) - I don't wish to set my personal goals based on "leading" beyond that. Rates equivalent to restoration (without work rule give-backs) are reasonable and fair given the current environment and 3-year outlook; Delta conceded as much when they announced the $5,000,000,000 buy-back. I don't believe restoration rates are sustainable forever, but of course we aren't negotiating a "forever" contract.

I don't support the ways in which many of the ranters present their arguments...it obviously turns a lot of people (perhaps most) off. But the fiscal arguments behind them are valid and should not be ignored.

If I were Delta management, I'd actually want what you seem to want...and that makes me nervous.

RA: "Men, how low can we go and still pass this TA pronto?"

Minions: "If you give them something barely industry-leading, it will pass quickly and we'll still be able to claim exceptional relations with our pilot group. Fortunately, the industry standard is still so low that it won't cost much to make that happen."

RA: "Perfect! Make it so. And when that's done, we'll have to figure out what the heck to do with all this cash laying around. You wanna toss an extra $2.5 back to Wall Street and see what it does to our stock price?"

Minions: "Genius! Let's do it! $7.5B over 3 years to Wall Street would be a far better investment than the $600,000 average per pilot equivalent over the same time. As Parker noted, pilots really don't have anything to do with the profitability of an airline anyway - but don't tell them we said that, haha!"

The Delta pilot group has NEVER voted down a T/A. By the time a T/A comes out of the MEC, it's over. Just like in 2012. THAT is why so many guys are getting riled up now, they have learned. Why haven't you? Or perhaps you were one of the ones involve selling us the two 3% raises we'd never see?:rolleyes:

First off. Sorry you are angry. That's sucks.

Second. Read my other posts about process. If you want the way this is done to change you have to change it at the DALPA level. Complaining like this is like yelling at God because he let it rain at your kids quinceañera (or insert ethnically appropriate right of passage here).

You can get riled up. That's cool. But it's not very productive. And doesn't stop the rain.

Who said I was angry, other than you? That all you got? I talked to my LEC reps about all these rumors, to provide my input, that's the way it's supposed to work, right? In your world I should just sit back and do nothing? And then be dumbfounded when they produce a T/A filled with concessions. And then they tell me I'll never see those two 3% raises.

What was that?

Straight up BS, that's what.

Why the rush this time? Who's timeline are we on?

Oh, that's right King Richard said we have to hurry and he said he's got a manning problem, we'd better give more concessions, maybe we can trade more of our profit sharing for another 3% raise too! :rolleyes:

I think it's pretty clear now why the company paid out ~half of the PS several months early last year.

They were prepping the battlefield, and wanted to remove the psychological boost of one large profit sharing check immediately prior to Section 6 openers. They were trying to acclimate us to getting less on Feb 14.

Sambo nailed it. PS completely negates the "TVM" of another rushed deal.

Let's wind the clock.