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BenderRodriguez 05-26-2015 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1889346)
Holding the line costs zero capital. Unless we're dumb enough to value in pre-made concessions or fall for the "bargaining credit" nonsense of selling jobs to management. They have all the small DC-9 sized RJ's we should ever give them. If anything we should start sunsetting what they do have.

Bravo! Buying it down, however is very expensive.

Scoop 05-26-2015 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1889400)
We ALWAYS relax scope.
Every agreement for the last ten years has had scope concessions.
This one will be no different.

We'll probably get hit on the bottom with more 76 seaters and the top when the AF/KLM grievance magically goes away.





Yep,

Every contract we agree on Scope. But often before the Scope agreement is actually limiting we acquiesce to management and grant Scope relief............................................ .........again.

What good is a Scope clause if it is never (or for a very, very minimal time) actually limiting?

How about we just keep the Scope agreement we currently have. The agreement that management wanted and we gave them 3 years ago.

Scoop :confused:

DeadHead 05-27-2015 01:50 AM

Has anybody told Bender about decaf?

RonRicco 05-27-2015 03:55 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1889560)
Has anybody told Bender about decaf?

Yes, but if it ain't the Oregon cheerleaders, he probably won't listen...

BenderRodriguez 05-27-2015 04:35 AM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1889560)
Has anybody told Bender about decaf?

I just enjoy the debate. I guess unless I am spewing anti ALPA rhetoric or propagating rumors it is not valid?

BenderRodriguez 05-27-2015 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by RonRicco (Post 1889572)
Yes, but if it ain't the Oregon cheerleaders, he probably won't listen...

Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.

And this post is really curious coming from you

RonRicco 05-27-2015 04:47 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1889581)
Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.

And this post is really curious coming from you

Ha.. It was just a joke. I am not sure if you are T or not.. But anytime I can bring the Oregon cheering squad into the debate... Why not?

scambo1 05-27-2015 04:49 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1889581)
Listen? I hear it all loud and clear. Rumor and innuendo. No basis in fact yet. I totally agree with Scoop on the leak aspect of it too. But it's still fun to debate.

And this post is really curious coming from you

If you enjoy the debate, then change back to your original screen name. We all know you hit the crack pipe again and have to go thru the 12 steps to get off it.

forgot to bid 05-27-2015 05:08 AM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1889588)
If you enjoy the debate, then change back to your original screen name. We all know you hit the crack pipe again and have to go thru the 12 steps to get off it.

There is no 12 step that would work for me.

gloopy 05-27-2015 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1889508)
Bravo! Buying it down, however is very expensive.

Forcing 76 seaters to sunset may not come super cheap, but we should have no problem sunsetting at lease some 50's and increasing the mainline block ratio to at least near current levels. Even 76 seaters should be capped in a check valve style choke point. If they operate less for 6 months, that becomes the new limit, etc.

Same with the AS code share abuse. In fact, not doing so puts DL in a position of perpetual weakness by telling AS management that DL management places a high value on keeping the option open. Better for everyone if they slam the door shut permanently (at least to current levels). SEA is a hub, period. And the AF/KLM issue needs to be settled in a way that increases our share of flying in that and every other JV with strict penalties for non compliance since for half a decade they've shown no desire to honor their agreement without a strong penalty.


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