223 max. Hyperbole? Who is injecting unnecessary big words? It would not be cheap to unwind the contracts to buy/lease/capacity purchase/ or whatever else is involved. Esp if you wanted to do it quickly. Do you think DAL would just pick up the phone and say "Oh, we decided to bankrupt your company today by violating our contracts." Nope. Probably would cost big bucks. Methinks you oversimplify in your mind. OFG

Good Lord dude, I just want to know some specifics. And I am the lightning rod around here? By the tone of your post I am guessing you don't know the first thing about it other than what somebody has told you. GMAB

Uh, yes?
It's been proven several times that mgmt is not afraid to flush millions down the toilet to keep the very profitable RJ operation in tact.

Looks like it.:)

It might have something to do with your propensity to run out with a golf club every time your hear thunder.

Welcome back, btw (sincerely). In your absence, a lot of posters have decided to stop trying straightening out the entire internet. A couple are still trying to straighten out all of APC, but they're mostly selling something.

You can't go back to 6,000 posts all at once.

You need to build back up gradually. Start somewhere easy, like Juno. Have you met F15Cricket yet?

As "tone free" as I can make it. DAL MEC Website. Library. Page 2. Scope Compliance Analysis May 2015. The Numbers. Plain English. Provided by DALPA. I read the provided analysis. DALPA waited till the end of the cure period and filed. I'm often on your side or at least understand it, but in this instance..? I responded to a post with 2 primary observations. 1) I think it would cost a lot of money to unwind the large RJ operations. Either to buy them out of the various contracts or to in house them. I think I'm right. 2) I'm concerned about our Intl JV operations. Esp that we have to grieve an issue after a 3 year "cure." I would change my handle to Notone, but I'm so Fly. What to do? OFG

That's not what sunsetting means.

Those jets are staggered across multipile carriers in contracts that constantly expire in little chunks on a rolling basis. Sunsetting doesn't mean picking up the phone and saying "we decided to bankrupt your company by violating our contracts". That's just hyperbole. :D I would like to see at least some meaningful sunsetting (50-60 of these DC-9 sized jets) as their contracts naturally expire and can't be renewed. The rest can be renewed…until next contract where we go after another 50-60 of them...

You very well may be right about this. While that line of thinking might smell like a "conspiracy theory" and everyone wants to run away from anything that smells like that in fear of being labeled a conspiracy theorist, there is some precedence that kind of backs it up.

We rolled, and I mean ROLLED over, on the DPJ non permitted jet scope issue. As in rolled over with ZERO resistance. They didn't even want to file a grievance, but one was actually eventually filed, but only after the peanut gallery demanded it. We won a stunning slam dunk victory, right around the time C2012 was wraping up, and rolled that relief seamlessly into the contract for no difference in any other section. Perhaps someone can cling to theoretical plausible deniability and say something like "we would have gotten 4/7/3/3 instead of 4/8/3/3 were it not for this" but no one buys that. The MEC was extremely sympathetic to the company on this issue and literally didn't even want those jobs in the first place. A blatant Section 1 violation was yielded to the company and forgiven as a gesture of constructive good will. As a additional corollary to our current JV grievance, part of the justification and management of expectations then, as now, was that "it just isn't that many jobs". :rolleyes:


This is shaping up to play out in a similar fashion. However in this case the line swine has a little more clout over the bureaucracy because widebody international jobs are harder to sweep under the rug than large corporate jets or even large RJ's (reference the RAH certificate trickery relief that happened about the same time as the DPJ jobs give away).

Millions? LOL try billions. Many, many billions.

A historic c2015 needs no sell job

OK, I see our major malfunction. Sunsetting over a looong time as agreements expire. Might not cost a lot, but it might take a looong time. It was the "Forcing" part that threw me. I presumed short time frame. Anyway, IMO, 50s are goners & not our problem. 76s they can't have any more at the regional carriers. What's for lunch... I'm old and need food.. OFG