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Purple Drank 05-25-2015 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1888446)
That depends on the semantics though. Hey, you keep your 240….BUT….anything over 14 days requires all kinds of verification, etc. Oh and even those 14 can require verification if we (the company) and we alone determine its "suspiscious" and we define suspiscious but trust us we won't abuse it, that's why we need complete power over it.

"Oh, and we'd like to use a third party vendor to validate sick leave. To be chosen and paid for by us. Their expertise is harassing you, bogging your down in paperwork, and making it generally impossible for you to verify your sick leave without jeopardizing your FAA Medical. We'll need your medical records to verify anything, and once we have them--since you waived your HIPPA protections when you agreed to the contract--we can forward them to the FAA if necessary. But don't fly sick.

Now, about that profit sharing...."

80ktsClamp 05-25-2015 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 1888440)
FYI I communicated with my rep ref: some of the crazy rumors - ie the "proposed" SLOA policy, the LCA issue and pay.

He stated that in his opinion the MEC will not give up our 240 (+) hours sick leave.

He stated that many many rumors on the forums are way off....but he said he would not address each one as the LEC agreed that would take too much of their time.

He also stated they plan on not budging from the 23G LCA issue with the FO removal.

Lastly he stated that once the negotiations are coming to a close, some items will change quickly as they look at value.

I'm not a DALPA lover but I have to believe they wouldn't sell us out like the current rumors say....

Bingo! Please everyone read this and take it to heart.

gzsg 05-25-2015 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 1888440)
FYI I communicated with my rep ref: some of the crazy rumors - ie the "proposed" SLOA policy, the LCA issue and pay.

He stated that in his opinion the MEC will not give up our 240 (+) hours sick leave.

He stated that many many rumors on the forums are way off....but he said he would not address each one as the LEC agreed that would take too much of their time.

He also stated they plan on not budging from the 23G LCA issue with the FO removal.

Lastly he stated that once the negotiations are coming to a close, some items will change quickly as they look at value.

I'm not a DALPA lover but I have to believe they wouldn't sell us out like the current rumors say....

What did he say about scope relief? More 76 seat jets for DCI?

TheManager 05-25-2015 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1888468)
"Oh, and we'd like to use a third party vendor to validate sick leave. To be chosen and paid for by us. Their expertise is harassing you, bogging your down in paperwork, and making it generally impossible for you to verify your sick leave without jeopardizing your FAA Medical. We'll need your medical records to verify anything, and once we have them--since you waived your HIPPA protections when you agreed to the contract--we can forward them to the FAA if necessary. But don't fly sick.

Now, about that profit sharing...."

Exactly. This is an automatic NO and I don't even have to read the whole TA to come to that conclusion.

Try going out on an injury and just see how the third and second party vendors treat you.

80ktsClamp 05-25-2015 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1888547)
What did he say about scope relief? More 76 seat jets for DCI?

Worried that people are figuring out that all the crap you spew is just that?

MOTOJOE 05-25-2015 01:46 PM

It's 270 hrs sick a yr. not 240

Scoop 05-25-2015 03:04 PM

Guys,

This is a cut and paste from the other DAL thread:




Gentleman,

You all seem to be forgetting something very, very important. If we drag out this negotiation we can not only expect very nice profit sharing increases, but we will also receive annual pay raises.

We just received a .55 per cent raise - not much but remember UAL and AMR have contracts with raises coming for the next few years. Don't forget the little known codicil (thanks Dean Wormer :D) in the DAL Pilots contract that matches the average pay of AMR and UAL.

Now that average just passed barely us, but each year they get raises so it wouldn't surprise me if we get a 2-3% raise every year even if we are parked.

No need to rush anything boys. Either we hit a grand-slam or we wait it out enjoying pay raises and increased profit sharing.

Happy Memorial Day!

Scoop :)

Check Essential 05-25-2015 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Scoop (Post 1888592)
Guys,

This is a cut and paste from the other DAL thread:




Gentleman,

You all seem to be forgetting something very, very important. If we drag out this negotiation we can not only expect very nice profit sharing increases, but we will also receive annual pay raises.


Happy Memorial Day!

Scoop :)

Scoop-
Those raises are not annual or automatic.
They only occur if and when management gives pay raises to the other employee groups.
Even then, we only get the lower of the two metrics.

Section 3.B.4

Scoop 05-25-2015 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1888601)
Scoop-
Those raises are not annual or automatic.
They only occur if and when management gives pay raises to the other employee groups.
Section 3.B.4



Well that is true, but in my opinion the risk of the other employee groups unionizing will way strongly in our favor.

Scoop

boog123 05-25-2015 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by dtfl (Post 1888440)
FYI I communicated with my rep ref: some of the crazy rumors - ie the "proposed" SLOA policy, the LCA issue and pay.

He stated that in his opinion the MEC will not give up our 240 (+) hours sick leave.

He stated that many many rumors on the forums are way off....but he said he would not address each one as the LEC agreed that would take too much of their time.

He also stated they plan on not budging from the 23G LCA issue with the FO removal.

Lastly he stated that once the negotiations are coming to a close, some items will change quickly as they look at value.

I'm not a DALPA lover but I have to believe they wouldn't sell us out like the current rumors say....

I believe we will keep the 240 hours. What MAY change is what we have to do when we use it……probably not in a good way. So, he's right, but….


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