I'm pretty sure MadMax was just an artistic rendering of APC and chitchat.

Thanks Australia/Hollywood for showing us what we look like.

So we should contact our reps now or sit silently? We elected our reps and filled out the survey so now shut up?

I think we should be involved in this process in every way, publicly and privately, and if something can be altered before it's cast in stone then now is the time to do it. This is part of the TA process: leaks, rumors, closed sessions, letters and calls to reps, and finally a TA. I don't think the TA process included the phrase:
Members are to remain silent until we have a TA because the MEC has double top secret knowledge and we're smarter than you.

Delta C2015
 

Contact your reps. Of course. THEY steer the NC. They work for us. But they categorically should not be revealing any inside info until a deal is reached.

And no. You are wrong. This is not part of the TA process. It's part of a process being corrupted by individuals with agendas and not following Alpa governance. The same governance which allowed them to be elected in the first place.

Aaaaah. Ironical, isn't it?

If reps do their job, they shut up about what takes place in negotiations. Period. They take input lean on the NC and get as much of their constituents will in the contract as possible. It's a one way check valve until a deal. Well, supposed to be. And it's supposed to be because it gives the NC more leverage than the company seeing the pilot group freaking out about this or that rumor and then readjusting their offer accordingly. It only hurts us in the end. Although nobody here wants to believe that.

Absolutely.

We also shouldn't be scared rabbits when it comes to leaks... most of them come from the likes of Jerry who just says stuff to get people riled up.

To be fair, part of the fault lies in the hands of DALPA on ultra vague communications. Silence only promotes paranoia, too.

That is a load of BS.

Dude, DALPA gives out more updates on negotiations than I can deal with. I delete them because they clog my inbox. I think we are on the 13th update since March?

The comm from the MEC is bound by the rules of your Union, nay nay OUR Union. They can't discuss negotiation specifics, by the rules. if you want the rules to change, and thereby undermine negotiating leverage in the room, by all means suggest to your reps you want by laws changed so the kimono is open and/or dropped. But any pro negotiator (who is in the room, every single session) would tell you you are insane for even thinking that's a good idea.

Eh, the updates, however frequent, are quite vague... and yes that primarily has to do with the rules of the system. I don't disagree with the rules of communication, just trying to interject some logic here.

We will continue dealing with the paranoia until better details come out. I choose not to bite off on them this early on, but a lot of distrust has been fostered over the years hence what you're seeing around here.

I suppose at least this time the paranoia isn't manifesting itself in a counter union drive...

Delta C2015
 

Well you are contradicting yourself now.

You are saying delta MEC comm is too vague. But agreeing that the rules are there for a reason. And now tack to a straw man, distrust argument.

Let us move somewhere more substantial. Perhaps to this: the angry birds on here are what 10-20 dudes? Out of how many? 12228? Approximately?

Let us allow that perhaps, just perhaps, the arguments for and against either and or are polarized and tinted by this small vocal minority's online. And (my theory) their inability to get laid (gender neutral sexual frustration for our lady angry pilots out there). And that inability may manifest itself elsewhere. Just a theory.

Now. Having established a few people are less than happy with the world and take it out in this forum, let us more forward into agreeing that things are the way they are because of things we all agree to. Rules. Voting. All that jazz.

The ability to participate and be counted in this process is not being ripped from anyone. The ability to affect a process (supposedly secret) in motion still lies with you and has not been abrogated.

Anger and faux victims rage debases the whole process and speaks poorly of men and women who are otherwise Kings and Queens of the Air. Lest we forget we all have a hand in our destiny here.

And since 2006...every single year has brought more money. Betterish work rules and more-Ish jobs. To argue differently is to prove you may very well be in my group of 20 who reaaaaaallly really need to get laid (again, gender neutral lay-ing).

So much for interjecting some logic. Neither hardlined side is willing to listen, so the yelling and gnashing of teeth will continue.

But at least now we know they need some healing. And we all now know if they are angry again, where that anger is coming from. Let us all be more empathetic to their plight.