Again with the association argument?

"They're the bosses" is as non sequitur as it gets. They also signed non-disclosure agreements.

Leaking confidential information is an abuse of trust, could get you investigated by the SEC, and only results in diminished transparency, low-ball proposals by the company, and getting parked at the NMB.

But you like it.

Since you were talking about plea bargaining, I thought you'd appreciate the athlete analogy.

Carl

I pointed this out around a year ago, the self-serving nature of the quest for an S&P listing, stock buy backs, investment grade rating, and got a talking to by TSquare...it's a good thing you guys are bunky's up there in NYC.

Be careful next time he shows up at the crash pad Dalad, check his pockets before turning your back on him. I'm kidding, of course. I know he's harmless. Just likes a good debate.

I guess the fact that ALPA's economic and financial analysts are considered the best there is for looking at the books in the airline industry has escaped you. They are so good they often get hired out as subcontractors for other accounting firms that dont have their expertise.
I do agree their numbers would be different then yours. Perhaps since you recently posted that not only was contract 2012 cost neutral but it funded all the other employees raises you might back that up with a few facts.
Please feel free to explain the following.
1. Pay raises of 20% for 80% of the pilot group and and around 27% for reserves. Cost in direct dollars close to 500 million a year.
2. Indirect raises in training and vacation.
3. When all the work rules were averaged together the jobs to block hour ratio remained the same so no real job loss to work rules.
4. Increase in retirement
5. Profit sharing hitting 16.8% last year for another 300 million to the pilots. Expected to be 19% to 20% this year for another 380 million to the pilot group.

Now Carl please feel free to post where the concessions are that added up to the 800 million additional pay dollars received in 2014 with substantially more due in 2015 and another 300 million to pay for the other employees improvements. Don't just post BS. Put some numbers out there and attach those numbers to contract changes. If your going to try and claim manning as some have post the block hours and number of pilots.

If you don't like the association, stop making it impossible to miss.

NDA's signed were for protection of non-public info disclosed by Delta management. What's your point?

Oh, OK now I see where you're coming from. First, the SEC doesn't care about what the union discloses about itself. Second, if you didn't already know that, what non-public information about Delta has been released by anyone covered under that NDA.

I'll let others take this one. It's too easy.

Carl

Believing your own press releases and PR is a recipe for being beaten by opponents.

Yes, but would they be different THAN mine? :rolleyes:

It's what Richard and Ed have said many times publicly and to lie about that would be problematic if not worse since they are directors of a public company.

Two sides can explain what Richard and Ed meant when they said what they said. Richard and Ed don't seem to think they need to clarify. DALPA could release the costing sheets to show exactly how C2012 was either cost neutral or not. How it also funded initiatives to benefit OTHER employee groups at Delta, or not. DALPA refuses to release them.

Carl

Idk, sure seems like there are some on our side who would never want to recapture that scope and its convenient to hide behind numbers you'll never get to check.

Would you want CRJ900s and E175s here?

I'm surprised we haven't heard any rumors about relaxing the 76 seat restriction on scope.

Doesn't Skywest have an order for 100 90-100 seat Mitsubishi or Canadair Jets? Doesn't our scope clause prohibit Delta from code sharing with a company that operates aircraft larger than our size limit, even if it's for a different airline? Based on what I understand about our Section 1, the minute Skywest takes delivery of their first 76+ seat aircraft! we no longer do business with them...unless the language changes.

My guess is there will be a subtle rewording of that provision in our contract, if it hasn't already been re-written. There was that Republic buying Frontier and owning Shuttle America (our code-share partner) debacle a few years ago.

Excellent analysis Deahhead, your ready to be the base First Officer management pilot, checking for hats.

Any bets on a TA coming from the meeting this week?