Why? Because you would beat them down?
There is no need to pretend you like or that we need that kind of rancor. It's childish.

Let us pretend for a moment we are all professionals.

Let's us all consider what a TA offers us once we have facts. Debate those facts. Vote. And then go from there in solidarity.

It will help all of us in the end. Regardless.

Manager,

I think you might be forgetting part of my proposal. If we can trade a percentage of it, that's easily quantified. For example, under the current system, the first $2.5 billion of profit yields 10% to the employees. That's $250 million. The pilots get roughly a third of that. We'll round up and call it $85 million. IF, after we negotiate the total value of the contract, management proposes to convert that $85 million to pay rates while keeping the upper end percentages intact, that to me is a no-brainer.

This way, we get guaranteed rates while ensuring that if your scenario comes to fruition and the company makes $12 billion (Please God!), well participate in that, too.

You ignored the part where the policy that is in place is being ignored. The notion I could submit a resolution that would change any policy within this union is laughable. But you knew that.

That the Volunteers need to be able to win in the SEC to be relevant.

No, not really. That's a given that every football fan gets.

My point is: you wrote, "I guess the what if game is only valid if it is all gloom and doom."

All the what ifs in that post were positives. That's the thing with risk.

Every time you push the throttles up, you could have an engine failure at v1. What if that happens?

What if when you pushed the throttles up you had a normal takeoff?

With PS, so much focus on the negative risk. Oh my god, what will we do if Richard leaves! Just as there is negative risk with PS, there is also positive outcomes as well.

Sleepy Ed slept like a baby since the TA.

C2015 = Fail

The question will be two parts.

What are our pay rates without the PS buy back in your scenario? Is that rate except able in today's profitable environment and measured against a 6,000,0000,000.00 dividend and stock buy back program?

Are we getting a true 1:1 ratio? I would expect that at a minimum.

Personally, I would want to see more. 1:1.5 for helping to solve their PS "problem."

Actually, that is a fair point. I guess the gloom and doom is wearing thin with me. And then the topper to that is that we know nothing of any real substance yet the loud crowd on this board is all spooled up. If it makes you feel better, I guess go for it, but I don't see the point, and threatening to vote in the dee pee aaa is pretty divisive at this point. I prefer to be positive, but we'll see in a few days. Of course Carl KNOWS that I am going to vote yes, and I KNOW that PD will vote no, so there are only a few thousand votes you need to worry about, right?

rah rah rah, sis boom bah.

Who said anything about voting them in? Recalls galore though will be absolutely necessary, IF this TA is rejected on any level.

Good! Maybe PD will come out from hiding behind his keyboard and put his money where his mouth is.

I highly doubt it though.

And I was talking about the votes yay or nay for any TA that gets presented.