Here's one for you Marc:


"We are continually faced by great opportunities brilliantly disguised as insolvable problems."

or a Ted Turner "ism": "Either lead, follow, or get out of the way".

The American carriers are dropping the ball by letting all of this new traffic go to other carriers. Their constant whinging about it isn't going to change the fact that the ME3 are serving a market that neither they nor their alliance partners saw as an opportunity.

That's business Marc. When there is a void left by arrogant and incompetent players it will be filled by others. Now that it has been effectively filled by others the complaining starts.

I'm all for the U.S. carriers doing well, that's what you don't seem to understand. Yet, I firmly believe ALPA and Richard Anderson are on the wrong path to long term success. Protectionism is not the answer.


Typhoonpilot

We have our own oil infrastructure now though, and much more that can be quickly ramped up. We no longer need to bow down or hold the hands of sheiks and fake royals. And we certainly don't need to be their Hessian mercenary bodyguards, especially since we not only do it for free but we borrow from them to pay for it.

Based upon what is being rumored, I don't think it does. Abrogate means repeal or eliminate. The way I read it, the proposal would restrict absolute seniority in some cases. I don't see that as much different than 23.P.15, or Reserve RAW scores, or Completion/Unstack mode in PBS.

The entire industry is at risk.

But when profits plummet, go to zero or become billion dollar losses, its really hard to get rid of existing profit sharing. Its really hard for them to even ask to reduce it, and its as close to immunity as you can get in 1113 because no company will ever "need" to reduce an expense that doesn't exist and will only exist if profitable. IOW as long as we don't reduce it in good times it will stay forever, and the instant profits return it will start paying out again immediately, even if a future hostile management team decides to milk it for a few years with an anti labor NMB.

In that respect, PS is far less at risk over the long term than any equal raise we could get for it.

Tuesday and Weds, 9am, Airport Renaissance Hotel on Virginia Ave.

Tuesday is supposed to be the NC briefing the MEC on the T/A, Weds is supposed to be the day the MEC votes yes or no on the T/A.

If you are in the ATL it would behoove you to get there to 'be a witness' for both days, certainly Tuesday, for the facts on what's actually in the T/A, then you can scream at your LEC Reps (provide input) who will be voting on Weds.

Maybe you can push a pilot around, but you cant' push a light pole around!:eek:

Get a room....;)

I'm glad Denny entered this fray because I was beginning to feel a little wild eyed. His entrance makes me feel a little less so.

I know these are rumors, but man o man are they widespread. No one with whom I have spoken is FOR giving up any profit sharing, cutting sick leave, eroding scope or any of the myriad other tidbits floating around. I am flying with a reasonably senior and seasoned group though. The general consensus is the negotiating environment is the best ever, this is not the time to accept crumbs.

That's great, Gloops. But it's not all about us being free from foreign oil. Do you forget many of our staunchest allies do depend on it? How will the WORLD economy deal with a shutting down of ME oil? We all know what the world economy did after one day of major terrorist attacks did. So from whatever event would shut down ME oil, if there was an economy, you think BP, EXXON, etc. would not want to sell their oil abroad at a price probably quadruple of what it is today? TP made a good point. You need stability in the world's economy to enjoy the good ride you're having now.

First, I never suggested physical violence, but you did.
Second, it was a simple question. If you don't have the answer, don't answer
Third, I don't recall GAS what you though was childish or not

Shutting down ME oil is an EMPTY THREAT.

They need to sell it every bit as much as someone needs to buy it. They will just need to pay for their own defense for once.


As for your "quadruple" oil price scenario, we survived 150sh bbl oil for a while just fine, and a long time at near double today's prices. The higher the price, the more and the faster our larger permanent infrastructure would come online. They know this very, very well. That's why our good buddies in the House of Saud are waging economic warfare against North American oil production right now. Empty threat.

We don't need them. We don't need to babysit them. We don't need to protect them. We don't need to transfer our industry to them. At all.