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Sink r8 06-08-2015 04:26 PM

So, if I understand correctly... Yes, they're cheating, but they're hoping a smokescreen will work.

gloopy 06-08-2015 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Sink r8 (Post 1898781)
So, if I understand correctly... Yes, they're cheating, but they're hoping a smokescreen will work.

Oh its full on Deny Deny Deny!

Not only are they popping incoherent chaff about bankruptcy and PBGC, but are claiming ME3 is the salvation of union jobs in America, the American (and World!) economy and even ALPA pilots! Its going to be so sweet to watch those megalomaniacs choke on their super jumbos that they ordered specifically to poach US-EU and US-other non ME markets.

bedrock 06-08-2015 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1898664)
Shutting down ME oil is an EMPTY THREAT.

They need to sell it every bit as much as someone needs to buy it. They will just need to pay for their own defense for once.


As for your "quadruple" oil price scenario, we survived 150sh bbl oil for a while just fine, and a long time at near double today's prices. The higher the price, the more and the faster our larger permanent infrastructure would come online. They know this very, very well. That's why our good buddies in the House of Saud are waging economic warfare against North American oil production right now. Empty threat.

We don't need them. We don't need to babysit them. We don't need to protect them. We don't need to transfer our industry to them. At all.

The gulf states do pay for their own oil by agreeing to only accepting ever-devaluing dollars, and thereby propping up those dollars which foreign countries must have in order to get oil. Those countries that agree to accept currencies outside the dollar do so at their peril. I guarantee the House of Saud is doing whatever it is doing with US approval.

mk55 06-08-2015 04:38 PM

I don't know exactly what PS % was last year but it might be kind of fun to vote the contract down and have the investment community squeeze management rather then us constantly whining for "restoration " which the company couldn't care less about. When the ball is in their court they think nothing about dragging their feet. The ball is in our court now,why don't we drag our feet. I for one would enjoy another year of record profit sharing.

Somebody enlighten me if something is wrong with my logic.

gloopy 06-08-2015 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by mk55 (Post 1898786)
I don't know exactly what PS % was last year but it might be kind of fun to vote the contract down and have the investment community squeeze management rather then us constantly whining for "restoration " which the company couldn't care less about. When the ball is in their court they think nothing about dragging their feet. The ball is in our court now,why don't we drag our feet. I for one would enjoy another year of record profit sharing.

Somebody enlighten me if something is wrong with my logic.

And another year without possible numerous, layered and possibly deep concessions.

mk55 06-08-2015 04:43 PM

Now I'm starting to salivate over a no vote.

gloopy 06-08-2015 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by bedrock (Post 1898784)
The gulf states do pay for their own oil by agreeing to only accepting ever-devaluing dollars, and thereby propping up those dollars which foreign countries must have in order to get oil. Those countries that agree to accept currencies outside the dollar do so at their peril. I guarantee the House of Saud is doing whatever it is doing with US approval.

The dollar's days of global exclusivity are numbered. It will likely remain a significant part of a "basket" currency, perhaps even a strong majority, but its exchange monopoly days are limited.

Its way easier to take out a Libya or Iraq here or there for threatening to go off the dollar. Its another thing altogether when Russia, China, Brazil and many, many others are talking about incrementally switching to other alternatives.

It won't be that big of a deal for us either, if we learn to live within our means. That might include sitting out a few "Arab Springs" and not providing their military welfare for them for free, or paying them to take our airplanes and transfer jobs to them. Oh well.

They have ZERO leverage over us. None. Especially if the EU stops carrying their water, which has potentially started already. They have massive replacement lift ambitions with the US and EU and many other markets having nothing to do with the ME.

Let them choke on their super jumbos.

forgot to bid 06-08-2015 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by All In (Post 1898764)
36/24/36 voting yes if 5'3

How about 39-28-36 and 5'10"... and female.

Wmuav8r 06-08-2015 05:06 PM

We have a winner!
 

Originally Posted by mk55 (Post 1898755)
I,ve been following this post for a few days now and it's kind of like watching the Jerry Springer show. Morbidly entertaining with absolutely no impact on the outcome of Contract 2015.
:cool:

That is my vote for quote of the week! You nailed it, man!

Purple Drank 06-08-2015 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by mk55 (Post 1898755)
I,ve been following this post for a few days now and it's kind of like watching the Jerry Springer show. Morbidly entertaining with absolutely no impact on the outcome of C2015.

I think you're selling social media and the forums short.

These venues played a central role in banishing CDOs from the FAR117 LOA. Never would have happened a few years ago; the word never would have spread quickly enough to matter. We wouldn't have known a damn thing until it was too late.

Someone asked before--is anyone live-tweeting the meeting tomorrow?

If so, can you please post your twitter handle here or via PM? thanks!


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