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Purple Drank 06-08-2015 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1898636)
. Abrogate means repeal or eliminate. The way I read it, the proposal would restrict absolute seniority in some cases.

Ah. So it wouldn't "repeal" or "eliminate" seniority...only "restrict." Fantastic. The word games have begun.

An "historic--"or even an adequate--contract would not require any such hair-splitting to sell.

And Donatelli promised us "historic."

orvil 06-08-2015 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by pilotc90a (Post 1898536)
Quick question,

I had heard a story that there was a bit of a scuffle during a road show in PTC during the last contract. Someone trying to take a microphone away from someone that had the floor. Is this story true? If so, who was involved? I would LOVE for someone to try that with me!

Yeah, it's true. The aggressor was a well known poster/spammer on the defunct DALPA forum. He is a big advocate of buying physical gold. He was in the back of the room wearing his DALPA polo shirt.

The guy at the microphone was getting a little long winded, but nothing serious. Gold guy took exception to what he was saying. Charged him and tried to take the microphone away. Cooler heads prevailed. Gold guy hasn't been heard from since. Speaker finished up and left. Speaker showed a lot of restraint not to deck the guy.

It was pretty entertaining. I was sitting next to a former EAL/NWA guy. He was like, man are all your meetings like this? Wow.

TheManager 06-08-2015 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1898636)
Based upon what is being rumored, I don't think it does. Abrogate means repeal or eliminate. The way I read it, the proposal would restrict absolute seniority in some cases. I don't see that as much different than 23.P.15, or Reserve RAW scores, or Completion/Unstack mode in PBS.

Oh, restrict seniority.

That's so much better. So that really great 4 day with an island layover at the all inclusive is off limits just because it went to a LCA?

How about LCA bid last.

If we are going to restrict seniority, restrict theirs. They are getting a premium for their work and volunteered for it.

boog123 06-08-2015 01:38 PM

Working the next two days boys, so I expect good notes and opinions on the proceedings. Lots of guys going sounds like!

tomgoodman 06-08-2015 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1898645)
If you are in the ATL it would behoove you...

Saw a slow runner in Pamplona get behooved once...:eek:

Timbo 06-08-2015 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1898680)
Saw a slow runner in Pamplona get behooved once...:eek:

"Oh Behave!":D

Professor 06-08-2015 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 1898680)
Saw a slow runner in Pamplona get behooved once...:eek:


That is solid.

Timbo 06-08-2015 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1898590)
What is an FO LCA? Heard that twice from F4F as a remedy but... how?



F4F = friend on the 4th floor. Means the guy sitting next to you has this friend on the 4th floor and he said blah blah blah.

In some of the international categories there is what is called an AQFO. That stands for Airport Qualified F/O. They can fly with a Captain who has not been into a theater (PAC/SA/Africa) or into a special airport rather than have a LCA fly with him into a theater or special airport. Not sure if that is what your F4F was talking about.

80ktsClamp 06-08-2015 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1898690)
In some of the international categories there is what is called an AQFO. That stands for Airport Qualified F/O. They can fly with a Captain who has not been into a theater (PAC/SA/Africa) or into a special airport rather than have a LCA fly with him into a theater or special airport. Not sure if that is what your F4F was talking about.

There are AQFOs in every fleet (except maybe the 88 and 717).

Getting bought off by an AQFO has the same no recovery obligation penalties that goes with LCA buy off- though lots of times on a "domestic" rotation, the special qual is mid trip. (e.g. SJO, EGE, and so on and so forth).

Alan Shore 06-08-2015 01:56 PM


Originally Posted by Splash (Post 1898636)
The way I read it, the proposal would restrict absolute seniority in some cases. I don't see that as much different than 23.P.15, or Reserve RAW scores, or Completion/Unstack mode in PBS.

23.P.15 and unstacking do not limit seniority, as far as I can see. They simply provide a was for seniority to be honored while ensuring that flying is all covered. RAW scores certainly do limit seniority as does allowing only 1 GS or IA per month until everyone else has had his shot.


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