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Purple Drank 06-09-2015 02:04 PM

$1.20 extra in per diem each day on DOS really sweetens the pot.

LeineLodge 06-09-2015 02:05 PM


Originally Posted by PilotFrog (Post 1899794)
I haven't caught up yet, but about the switch from EASKs to Block hours is huge! I know Virgin wasn't included, but Virgin only needs 2 Pilots for flights up to 9 1/2 hours. That means for a similar flight they already fly 1/3 less than we do. Thier block hours are already lower than hours! If AF or KLM do the same we are going to get SLAUGHTERED with this new language.

If I remember the brief correctly, it is aircraft block hours not pilot block hours - so it actually would favor us that the Europeans don't augment.

There was more about the EASK part they I can't recall.

This part definitely needs a better explanation.

Professor 06-09-2015 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by LeineLodge (Post 1899805)
If I remember the brief correctly, it is aircraft block hours not pilot block hours - so it actually would favor us that the Europeans don't augment.



This part definitely needs a better explanation though.


It is aircraft block.

But I'll get you a better brief on it. Everyone deserves much better info on this and other elements of the proposed TA.

Commando 06-09-2015 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1899756)
Just for giggles, reference above example and say 2 years past amendable date, 1 less than SWAPA:

Now that MD88 Capt. has to come up with $76,500 just to get what he had with the original TA. So he needs an additional 10.2% just to break even. Add his hold out for TA +3% and he needs 13.2% to reach his goal above and beyond the 21.5% compounded raise. Yikes!

Not True if you get Full Retro.

Which anyone with a Brain will get once pass the Amendable Date.

qball 06-09-2015 02:12 PM

And once again we have SNB aircraft offered up if we give bottom end scope relief for large RJs. Sound familiar?

Why is this even in the TA. If the company wanted/needed E190/195, they would get them. More large RJs....they can barely staff DCI now so of course more large RJs help.

But why not go out and get them on their own? Because they can get us to give up scope to get them.

When the company starts parking A319s, Mad Dogs, and maybe even 717s, at least the guys who finally got here after a decade or more in the regionals can get bumped right back in to the Jungle Jet and do the same kind of flying. I seriously doubt they are
Mainline growth aircraft. They don't belong in this TA.

Purple Drank 06-09-2015 02:13 PM

There are P2P guys on FPL at the meeting.

We are paying them to sell this POS to us.

Ferd149 06-09-2015 02:20 PM

I guess the is mostly addressed to the P2P guys on here that are trying to explain some complex issues.

First, I appreciate your efforts. I'm not one of they guys who think you're spies or have other agendas and like I said I appreciate your efforts at education.

There are a lot of "old heads" for lack of a better word, who have been on here since the merger contract and SLI discussion. We come and go (I just came off a 6 month break to get my mind right:D) and its great to see the old heads perspective.

With that said, since I know your in contact with some of our senior leadership, I need to say the following and please take it back to them.............There are lots of the moderates that don't come on here much anymore that think this contract is a mistake. I point to myself, Denny Crane, shoot even CogF16 who I haven't seen on here in years.

I'll tell ya, we're the swing voters (most of us voted yes last time) you need and trust me........we're underwhelmed!

Food for thought,

Your Uncle Ferd

EdGrimley 06-09-2015 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1899766)
Again, I have the data but need to get my hands on it. And moreover a rationale for you.

Information forthcoming. We are still in session here in Atlanta.

Translation: We are reciting our lines and prepping for the best one of these money can buy. See you at the roadshows!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tWzvluI4UM.../ShellGame.gif

Sobchak 06-09-2015 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1899120)
Uh...senior widebody captains in their last five years happy about $300+K a year.

Think they care about stuff at the "lower" end of the contract? They don't.

I'm not happy about the magnitude of the PS change. Hopefully some tough questions will be asked today and tomorrow from the reps.

Actually, many of us do. I will vote no and wouldn't mind riding the current contract out for years.

I also think every f/o ought to vote no as their trip bidding seniority will take a huge hit.

Maybe restart the negotiation process again 2/15 or so.

Professor 06-09-2015 02:28 PM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1899819)
Translation: We are reciting our lines and prepping for the best one of these money can buy. See you at the roadshows!



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tWzvluI4UM.../ShellGame.gif


Well I can give you zero info if you like since I'm volunteering.

That work better?


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