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TriStar_drvr 06-09-2015 01:39 PM

Looking for info current rigs and changes to rigs in TA. A search of 678 pages found only an average daily guarantee of 5:15. Is there anything else? Any duty period rig?

My pilot group is in the midst of contract negotiations, and I'm trying to get a handle on how lucrative (or not) this TA is.

Also, what is the average monthly hourly totals paid per pilot? Not block flown but total paid. I realize this may vary widely based on aircraft type and whether domestic or international.

Thanks.

SharpestTool 06-09-2015 01:40 PM

Just for giggles, reference above example and say 2 years past amendable date, 1 less than SWAPA:

Now that MD88 Capt. has to come up with $76,500 just to get what he had with the original TA. So he needs an additional 10.2% just to break even. Add his hold out for TA +3% and he needs 13.2% to reach his goal above and beyond the 21.5% compounded raise. Yikes!

Purple Drank 06-09-2015 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sounds (Post 1899721)
Curious, was there ever a case (in any airline), where the second offer was more lucrative than the first?

I'm happy to wind the clock and collect ps checks until RA wants to deal.

Oh, and without this TA, the company will be in violation of the Af/klm JV again next year. Even more leverage.

Could you imagine the uproar from WS when they find out that labor risk is on the table? And that ps isn't going down?

But I suspect you knew all that.

SharpestTool 06-09-2015 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 1899751)
Sharpest Tool only shows up at contract time. He made my ignore list during C2012. Quit quoting him.;) BTW, I emailed my reps this morning and did not request a reply. I still got one and I know of at least one rep that is voting to send it back. Keep the emails flowing.

Quite right. Somebody has to show the Poo Monkeys how to do math.

Purple Drank 06-09-2015 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 1899751)
Sharpest Tool only shows up at contract time. He made my ignore list during C2012. Quit quoting him.;) BTW, I emailed my reps this morning and did not request a reply. I still got one and I know of at least one rep that is voting to send it back. Keep the emails flowing.

True. But I was referring to TripleF. :D

MD88Driver 06-09-2015 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1899734)
There are numbers on this. Far less impact than you would think. In the road show slides.

Remember all LCA's aren't always doing OE.

More info to come from sources IF we get a TA.

Each year, as retirements and upgrades kick in, the need for OE will increase--and near the end of the this amendable date, the need will be substantial!

Professor 06-09-2015 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by MD88Driver (Post 1899763)
Each year, as retirements and upgrades kick in, the need for OE will increase--and near the end of the this amendable date, the need will be substantial!


Again, I have the data but need to get my hands on it. And moreover a rationale for you.

Information forthcoming. We are still in session here in Atlanta.

Apologies for the delay all.

Gunfighter 06-09-2015 01:49 PM

http://www.google.fr/url?source=imgl...Fs-q6BPR4ekmZw

Just sayin...

DeadHead 06-09-2015 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1899760)
Quite right. Somebody has to show the Poo Monkeys how to do math.

Or manipulate it. :rolleyes:

Gunfighter 06-09-2015 01:57 PM

How on earth did the NC present the widebody scope? I'm hoping my comprehension of the bullet points is completely off here. Did they actually agree that flying the 380 from CDG to JFK has the same value as a 757 from CDG to PIT? How was this presented? What supporting data suggested this was even a remote possibility for our TA?



When we were sold the JV at it's inception the major point I remember was the EASK metric was good for DL pilots because of our smaller gauge WB fleet.


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