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Carl Spackler 09-02-2014 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by 76drvr (Post 1717883)
You absolutely made a false statement because the Negotiating Committee Chairman and another member of the committee were re-elected, the third member of the NC was an F/O rep who was in favor of C2012, all of which discredits your theory that there was a house cleaning as a result of C2012. Furthermore, 2 out of 3 of the current members of the NC were on the C2012 committee. You assigned a motive with no basis in fact.

Furthermore, the others you allude to resigned from their positions, two of them were elected to other positions and another was asked to come back and help KR.

You're just spouting talking points bud.

Next.

Carl

Carl Spackler 09-02-2014 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by thefoxsays (Post 1717881)
Wow, Delta's contract sucks. What is good about this contract? I've found nothing so far except the pay is better than my regional.

Just got bit by the "*" rotation trip removal feature.

Okay, rant over.

Schedule survey to come. I hope folks read the contract comparisons.


Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin (Post 1717890)
Great attitude for a new guy. Welcome :cool:


Don't listen to that nonsense man. Welcome to Delta. :) We do have our share of guys here like Rather B Fishin who take it as a personal insult if you find fault with anything Delta or DALPA. The Delta contract does suck in some ways, but a few guys like Rather B Fishin get crabby when you actually say it out loud.

Hoping for our new blood with a fresh set of eyes and stiffer backbones to help us get better. Look for me over in Tokyo when you get there and I'll buy you a beer. I'll be the guy with all the women that Rather B Fishin scared away. :D

Carl

Carl Spackler 09-02-2014 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1717972)
I had the same impression when I first arrived, but as time went on the light bulb went on in regards to the many areas that are vastly superior to regional contracts (as it should be!).

The new DALPA marketing slogan: "Working tirelessly to produce contracts vastly superior in many areas...compared to the regionals."

Awesome.

Carl

76drvr 09-02-2014 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1718185)
You're just spouting talking points bud.

Next.

Carl

You're the propagandist making things up. Facts are facts, your fictions are just that, fiction.

Flamer 09-02-2014 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1718000)
United does get 42 days of vacation however not until 26 years of service. Did you look at their pay rates years 1 to 3 compared with Delta. If they dropped your entire trip how many pay protected hours are you getting?

Dude, we are talking about vacation. Then, once again you bring in something unrelated to distract from the facts. What is wrong with you? Who cares about pay rates from the first three years when we are talking about vacation value. You have a serious problem if you are actually a line flying delta pilot, which I doubt.

Btw, have a SWA guy pitch in on their vacation too. Their value IS what it drops.

Alan Shore 09-03-2014 01:51 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1718164)
Shouldn't it have tried to do just that Alan? Shouldn't it have (at a minimum) provided us with a truly fair and balanced look?

It seems to me that you're asking for the comparison to show the various bidding systems that carriers have, along with the nuances of each. Having read now about some of those nuances at FedEx, and knowing a bit about our old LOT system at Delta, our current PBS, and a few other systems at other airlines, I'm having trouble imagining how you provide a full look at each on a page or two of a comparison.

Alan Shore 09-03-2014 04:07 AM


Originally Posted by Flamer (Post 1718259)
Btw, have a SWA guy pitch in on their vacation too. Their value IS what it drops.

Agreed. Their 2012 contract comparison shows their vacation to be trips dropped or 3.75 TFP per day, whichever is greater. DALPA's comparison just shows 3:15 per day, which they say is based on 3.75 TFP.

Alan Shore 09-03-2014 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1718166)
I'm getting all verklempt.

Talk amongst yourselves.

I'll give you a topic. Rhode Island -- it's neither a road nor an island.

Discuss...

Rather B Fishin 09-03-2014 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1718189)
Don't listen to that nonsense man. Welcome to Delta. :) We do have our share of guys here like Rather B Fishin who take it as a personal insult if you find fault with anything Delta or DALPA. The Delta contract does suck in some ways, but a few guys like Rather B Fishin get crabby when you actually say it out loud.

Hoping for our new blood with a fresh set of eyes and stiffer backbones to help us get better. Look for me over in Tokyo when you get there and I'll buy you a beer. I'll be the guy with all the women that Rather B Fishin scared away. :D

Carl

You got me there Carl. Happily married man. You can have your underage hookers all to yourself.

gzsg 09-03-2014 05:39 AM

The insiders have made the deal to trade our profit sharing for hourly increases. We trade a dollar for 4 quarters and DALPA declares victory. Then the selling machine and another cost neutral jam down.

If we reduce profit sharing it is game over. C2015 will be a repeat of C2012 and completely cost neutral. If we can hold the line and keep profit sharing, we cannot fail.

The most important part of your survey is to protect profit sharing and move it off the table.

Jerry


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