And I'm sure the shines new jets promise (if rumor is true) will come with a paragraph that says "these are new growth aircraft and we promise not to park any higher paying current fleet jets to once again lower your pay."

Do we get red bull at top of descent?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQY4i5fDYMM

5:25, 5:40, 6:49

I thought they said "we heard you loud and clear"? maybe they heard us and just knew what was best for us.

In the learning to say yes front.... I woke up to another missive selling us on C2012. If a contract is go good, shouldn't it stand on its own merits? Why are we STILL getting a sales job on a three year old contract?

Since we're all spamming, here's a copy/paste
 

At least your spamming is consistent. Mods, can we consolidate all of these identical posts into a special Jerry thread so I can enjoy them all at once?

Jerry, is this specific info gleaned from someone in the know? If so, please share your source. There is clearly a comm vacuum that is begging to be filled with any tidbit of information.

If you spread your made up numbers (with no context of the entire deal btw) for the next 5 days, I'd argue that you are actually helping the company lower our expectations.

To use your numbers (that I don't buy unless you can name a source):

Jerry says PS will be reduced by 5.75%

Hypothetical TA comes out and it is reduced by 2%.

Suddenly that doesn't sound so bad since Jerry has had us all bracing for a larger offset. Win! :rolleyes:

For another example, let's go with everything you say as true, but we somehow achieved a min day of 8 hours, resulting in a huge increase in W2 and lots more time off....Now how does the TA look? Bullet points (especially fabricated ones) are useless without context.

We could do this for the next 5 days; making up BS* and arguing about it. I don't expect it to stop, and don't really care, but wouldn't it be more civilized if we allow the oft-slandered "process" to work itself out, and THEN pick it apart when we have the facts. I know I look forward to seeing the whole package (good and bad) and the spirited debates that will come with it.



*Jerry, as I've said before, I know you're a great guy in person. We've flown together and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole 5 days. I will happily retract my statement above and apologize if you can put up your source and/or provide concrete details of the TA. Everyone I know that has seen the deal isn't talking about it. If you know something different, please share.

It's only a sales job if you allow yourself to be sold. Otherwise I read it as a reminder of the benefits of consistently improving contracts, and more recently, with AA/UA/US, how pattern bargaining benefits the whole profession.

All that said, I am TRYING to be patient :p to wait and see the details of the current TA. C2012 is history, and got us to where we are (the good and the bad: higher ALV's, 30 day summer months, etc) but my focus now is on what's in front of the MEC. It needs to be a solid, stand-on-it's-own good deal. We'll know one way or the other in a few more days.

Regarding the email we received...I didn't see anything factually inaccurate in the Table Talk. However when I offered it to my wife, to look it over, she politely declined. "Just let me know how it turns out" was the response.

Makes sense.

Why are we getting a "No" sales job here before we know the details of this deal?

We should practice what we preach. Don't sell. Don't insult. Read the actual TA, and discuss the details.

Other than a year ago? Unless you just flew a CDO, I will have to disagree.

I agree. Talking to my Nyc reps they often seem to care more about pilots who are not yet on the property over those that are here now.

It's a 12 hour drive from Ramadi to Dubai. I wonder how ISIS will do running an airline.