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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1898205)
If he's saying that, that's when he got his first flying job. What an odd dude in his long winded diatribes and prophetic remarks.
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1898196)
Ladies and gentlemen... it has been officially approved for me to roll in on my day off on tuesday by Mrs. 80 to attend the open meeting.
Are we still considering the shocker the appropriate gesture for APC homies? I will not be freshly shaven (certainly), I may even smell like shame and whiskey and look like I might be homeless (it's my day off, dammit), but I will be there. |
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
(Post 1898205)
If he's saying that, that's when he got his first flying job. What an odd dude in his long winded diatribes and prophetic remarks.
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Originally Posted by gzsg
(Post 1898255)
Letter to MEC.
We cannot afford to be afraid. Over 70 years ago Napoleon Hill wrote Think and Grow Rich. It is more popular today than it was back then. Andrew Carnegie suggested Napoleon interview the most successful men in the world. And he did. What did he find? What was the key to success? The single common thread? Being fearless. Management has run a campaign of fear to perfection. Are you afraid if we don't accept this deal we will have to wait 3 years for another? It is all a game and they are the masters. What if Orville and Wilbur were afraid? Is Elon Musk afraid? Paul Revere? Dave Behncke? Thomas Edison? Steve Jobs? Where would we be today if these men were not fearless? You would be riding to the MEC meeting on horseback and you certainly would not be pilots. Time is on our side and the Delta pilots are in no rush. Join together and abandon your fear. Accepting this deal will be the biggest regret of your lives. Stand tall, reject this TA. Go in and get us the deal we all expected. The deal we so richly deserve. Fraternally Captain J.J. Fielding, Jr. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1898248)
Guys, clearly Sharpest Tool is MOST concerned with the possibility of our MEC saying NO as making management mad. Or making management park us forever. Or management otherwise thinking ill of us. Now he's starting all the false choices of what it CAN ONLY mean if our reps send this TA back.
He's very afraid, which you can clearly hear in his posts. Why he's so panicked over the possibility of our reps sending the TA back is an open question. Carl The MEC will vote on this thing and we will or won't get our vote, depending on their decision. I'm asking a single question. How can a group who green lighted the table position turn around and reject that position? Doesn't bode well if it happens. Will it be the end of the world? Clearly not. I just think however it will frame what we will see in the end in that the MEC will lack credibility with the company. However, I think a more valid path that could lead to a significantly different result would be a failed ratification by the pilots. Yes, it would take a considerable time to get a new MEC and NC. That time would be an expense that would dilute the final results to a certain extent. If the majority is onboard with paying that cost, so be it. Hopefully it wouldn't drag on for years instead of months. I think it does not bode well for an MEC to flip flop. Again my thinking is that if they reject, they actually had a very thin consensus to begin with when they green lighted the NC. That says we have a divided MEC, which is what I've said all along. The MEC last time had a thin majority approving the 2012 TA, where the dissenters actually campaigned to defeat it via the ratification process. What happens this time if the apparent swing voter or voters switch camps? Clearly the TA will fail. Will we have the same split MEC? Absolutely. I don't see epic agreements coming from such an MEC. Nor do I see RA giving the respect such an MEC needs to have to force his hand. All this is speculation of course. Maybe they will have the votes. I hope so. Flip-flopping governing bodies are painful to watch. Check out history of the APA as a nice illustration. |
Originally Posted by SharpestTool
(Post 1898267)
Clearly you are babbling.
The MEC will vote on this thing and we will or won't get our vote, depending on their decision. I'm asking a single question. How can a group who green lighted the table position turn around and reject that position? Doesn't bode well if it happens. Will it be the end of the world? Clearly not. I just think however it will frame what we will see in the end in that the MEC will lack credibility with the company. However, I think a more valid path that could lead to a significantly different result would be a failed ratification by the pilots. Yes, it would take a considerable time to get a new MEC and NC. That time would be an expense that would dilute the final results to a certain extent. If the majority is onboard with paying that cost, so be it. Hopefully it wouldn't drag on for years instead of months. I think it does not bode well for an MEC to flip flop. Again my thinking is that if they reject, they actually had a very thin consensus to begin with when they green lighted the NC. That says we have a divided MEC, which is what I've said all along. The MEC last time had a thin majority approving the 2012 TA, where the dissenters actually campaigned to defeat it via the ratification process. What happens this time if the apparent swing voter or voters switch camps? Clearly the TA will fail. Will we have the same split MEC? Absolutely. I don't see epic agreements coming from such an MEC. Nor do I see RA giving the respect such an MEC needs to have to force his hand. All this is speculation of course. Maybe they will have the votes. I hope so. Flip-flopping governing bodies are painful to watch. Check out history of the APA as a nice illustration. You may want to dial it back some if your going to continue the deception of "being one of the line pilots". |
Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 1898260)
APC crowd is easy to spot, their shirts are untucked.
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
(Post 1898269)
Your trying too hard there buddy.
You may want to dial it back some if your going to continue the deception of "being one of the line pilots". |
Originally Posted by badflaps
(Post 1898270)
Pretty hard to tuck... when you are not wearing pants.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1898271)
Neither him or army 80 come off as pilots in this go around. There really are cubicle dwellers working against the pilots...I never thought I would say something that sounds like that, but they offer nothing but diminished expectations and fear, uncertainty, doubt. I have personally switched them off.
The more desperate someone becomes trying to convince me of something, the more I start to realize my gut feeling is right. |
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