Airline Pilot Central Forums - Details on Delta TA

Serious question:

Would you trade 10% lower payrates for 10% higher profit sharing?

I certainly wouldn't.

So why the angst over a "rumor" of the converse? How did profit sharing become some sacred cow, when for many years on many properties it was worthless? Shoot, I recall the derision when it was negotiated in the first place.

I'm all for keeping the top end of profit sharing. It protects us from looking like schmucks if the company is wildly successful. But why wouldn't I trade some of the bottom end? It's a defined number. Give it to me in my payrates.

It seems many here are making the mistake of believing these good times will last forever.

I'm all for exchanging a "probably" dollar tomorrow for a "definitely" dollar today.

Why? Because none of us want to "buy" a raise with profit sharing. This is the best negotiating environment ever.......we want both. Is there something wrong with that!?!

Denny

D Mantooth

06-08-2015 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy (Post 1898345)

I think we all agree with the concept of "monetizing" PS. What most of us don't agree with is calling "monetizing" PS a raise a month after they approved 5 BILLION in stock buybacks and increased dividends.

How about we settle the TA without touching PS. If they want to monetize PS we can do that via the LOA process once we agree on a contract. We shouldn't be doing this inside the section 6 negotiations. I think we all said that in our contract surveys which obviously mean nothing.

A fair point. Thank you.

I don't believe from what I'm reading here that we all agree on monetizing. That was the reason I asked the question.

When we do it is certainly up for discussion. I'm good with doing it anytime, you prefer outside of section six. Again, fair point.

D Mantooth

06-08-2015 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1898361)

Why? Because none of us want to "buy" a raise with profit sharing. This is the best negotiating environment ever.......we want both. Is there something wrong with that!?!

Denny

Nothing wrong with that at all. I never suggested that we "buy" anything. I want all the money we can get! I'd just like more of it to be guaranteed.

buzzpat

06-08-2015 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1898353)

You want to know what a split MEC tells me? It tells me the deal is NOT good enough. A deal that is a clear win is going to garner a clear majority of votes not just barely pass or fail the MEC.

As far as APA goes..........I think you are comparing apples and oranges. I agree that we broke the log jam with C2012. It's a minor reason for why I voted for it. We have a much better current/active contract than they did for those years. Again, why can't we follow the foot print of negotiations for C2001?

Denny

Damn Denny, you and I are mind-melding. I really wish you were representing us. Everything you espouse, I mean everything, I am in complete agreement with.

buzzpat

06-08-2015 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1898277)

My shirt will be tucked into my underwear.;)

You wear underwear?:D

Damnnit, Ferd beat me to it.

RockyBoy

06-08-2015 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1898362)

A fair point. Thank you.

I don't believe from what I'm reading here that we all agree on monetizing. That was the reason I asked the question.

Yeah, you are right. Some don't think it is a good idea. I believe that it is, just not inside section 6. I guess it could work if they would not attempt to fund a raise in rates with the value of the monetized PS.

There are two polarizing topics if you read though all the BS the last few weeks.

1. Funding a raise in rates with the value of monetized PS.
2. Sick leave changes.

If we did not have rumors of those two issues, 95% of the hysteria would not be here.

I'm 99.5% certain that both of those will be in the TA that none of us have seen yet. My survey said don't do anything with PS and don't do anything with sick leave unless you want to IMPROVE it. So, if they attempt to monetize PS and have something other than an improved sick leave section, I'm a no vote. I won't even waste my time attending a road show.

forgot to bid

06-08-2015 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1898343)

I must be missing something then because last I checked the TA hasn't been released to the membership for review. Secondly, the LEC reps I've talked to have said that PS sharing concessions weren't even in the company's opener.

Perhaps you and the rest of the "long time lurkers, first time posters" know something we don't.

In a cynics view yo ud say the nc knew they couldn't quickly get a decent or acceptable pay raise so monetizing PS to get a higher rate was their idea and not the companys.

It was here that people started talking at risk and guaranteed pay while at the same time RA was telling the LCA that PS wouldn't be touched.

DeadHead

06-08-2015 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Boatbuilder (Post 1898355)

Yep, I do. I know it's too nice a day to spend any more time here. I'm off to the lake for a sail. Have fun.

I bet, probably time to log out and switch screen names again.

Hope you "pseudo-personality" enjoys sometime on the lake. :rolleyes:

It looks like ManTooth is up.

zippinbye

06-08-2015 06:58 AM

MEC Meeting Time and Place?

Anybody know when and where the MEC meeting is on Tuesday? Also, am I alone in thinking Tuesday is too soon per the stated seven-day absorption period for MEC members?

DeadHead

06-08-2015 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by zippinbye (Post 1898376)

Anybody know when and where the MEC meeting is on Tuesday? Also, am I alone in thinking Tuesday is too soon per the stated seven-day absorption period for MEC members?

Yeah, does seem a bit too soon.

So, where do you sit on all this?

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