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Purple Drank 06-10-2015 11:02 AM

Massive Concessions: The Firehose Effect.

The more I look into details (there are some good discussions on the chitchat forum), the more it seems like this is a firehose of concessions. A Medusa.

There is absolutely no way for our reps to wrap their heads around all the tweaks and gotchas in sick leave, AF/KLM, etc, in a week, much less two or three days.

If, IF, this goes to MEMRAT it will be a breeze for DALPA to sweep all the undesirable outcomes under the rug at road shows--there is just too much crap to wade through.

GogglesPisano 06-10-2015 11:08 AM

Where are the slides again? Couldn't find them on the DALPA site. Thanks.

Denny Crane 06-10-2015 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900728)
It doesn't. 02/17 payout will be change P/S.
02/16 under these rules.

The 2017 payout is for wages earned in 2016 which means the change in profit sharing goes into effect starting 1/1/2016. Or in about 6 months.

Denny

Professor 06-10-2015 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1900756)
The 2017 payout is for wages earned in 2016 which means the change in profit sharing goes into effect starting 1/1/2016. Or in about 6 months.

Denny

Correct. Sorry, my post wasn't more clear.

What you said.

index 06-10-2015 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1900725)
I thought profit sharing payout change doesn't happen until 2017?.

That's part of the deception. It's semantics. The NC stated that the changes won't take place until the 2017 payout, which occurs in February. That payout is on wages earned for the calendar year beginning January 1, 2016.

What also doesn't take place until Jan 1, 2017 is the 1% DC increase. The sick leave changes not only take effect immediately but are also retroactive.

LeineLodge 06-10-2015 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1900755)
Where are the slides again? Couldn't find them on the DALPA site. Thanks.

They were pulled down due to some typos. They are supposed to be back up "soon." The NC are the ones that put those slides together. Hopefully they will get them up soon after the Q&A is complete.

Btw, they have moved on to Section 23 (Scheduling) now...

GogglesPisano 06-10-2015 11:16 AM

I also noticed that the increase to vaca doesn't take place until next April. Why the delay? (Let me guess, IT?)

Also, all other things being equal, the rates are 8, (6-5.74 = 0), 3, 3. Am I correct?

MoonShot 06-10-2015 11:17 AM

Does the TA just have to pass a simple majority in the MEC to go to the members?

Any idea where the votes are now (obviously there are some diehard "yes" and "no" voters)? How many swing votes and where are they leaning? Any ideas?

Professor 06-10-2015 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by MoonShot (Post 1900761)
Does the TA just have to pass a simple majority in the MEC to go to the members?

Any idea where the votes are now (obviously there are some diehard "yes" and "no" voters)? How many swing votes and where are they leaning? Any ideas?

That is correct and I really don't know.

LeineLodge 06-10-2015 11:23 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1900760)
I also noticed that the increase to vaca doesn't take place until next April. Why the delay? (Let me guess, IT?)

Also, all other things being equal, the rates are 8, (6-5.74 = 0), 3, 3. Am I correct?

April 1, 2016 is the first day of the next vacation year. The current vacation year is underway already. This is how the extra :15 in C2012 was implemented as well. Of note the extra :15/day is pay no credit for PBS purposes. This is a departure from past practice. Under the TA vacation would be 3:15 credit for line construction and the extra :15 would be for pay only.

The pay bumps you posted are correct IF the company makes $6.0B in profit. Anything under that and the 2nd number you posted starts going up, all the way down to $2.5B in profits where the 2nd number is 6


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