So you think family awareness and pilot to pilot and DPN and PUB events and all that stuff are just a waste of time?

What's with all the informational picketing we do?

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I think you forgot to clear that post with your bosses alfa.
The inflatable rat is not about data.

Public relations has an effect on customers, Wall Street, the stock price, etc. etc. That gets management's attention.
I think you were probably just being argumentative. But if you really believe what you typed then you need to look up from your charts and bar graphs and get a clue.

Lee Moak hurt us with his comments. His whole philosophy of labor relations is a disaster.
The sooner we see the back of him the better off we will be. Then we can set about the task of getting his minions off the MEC.

Alpha, without "Labor Risk", what leverage do we have?

Seriously, why would they pay us anything at all, unless we threatened to walk off the job?

So where do you draw the line?

What is Reasonable?

Was a 42% pay cut Reasonable?

And if it was, and if it was necessary to "Save Delta" from liquidation (as you and several others told me at the time), then now that we are making BILLIONS for Richard, isn't it time for us to be repaid?

Who gets to decide what we make?

YOU?

Obama?

Or some twit on the NMB?

I must have missed it, can you tell me exactly WHAT are DALPA's goals? :rolleyes:

We all know they cannot spell "RESTORATION"!

So what are the goals?

I'm sorry you're bored. You throw out wild accusations and back them up with "it looks very suspicious". What is that if not McCarthyism?

Well, I didn't used to be in your DALPA operative/company spy club and now I am and the only thing that happened was I disagreed with you, so who is trying to discredit who?

The only person who used quotes to support his argument was me. PD and DAL 88 Driver said Moak is on record as saying we don't expect or demand gains but provided no record, you provided a list of Moak statements that weren't actually in the article, and a few people told me I should just know why they are angry.

I have been told nothing. My only interaction with DALPA was at the new hire dinner and an email exchange about the multipurpose bank. My only interaction with management was my new hire Chief Pilot interview. Maybe Ford & Harrison is sending subliminal messages to me?

I haven't once said or inferred that pilot costs should be minimized. I've never even told someone here that we can't get what they think we can get. I have told people (mostly DAL 88 Driver) they have bad ideas at getting there. On several occasions I've explained why we are in a good negotiating environment and even explained how I thought we could maximize our gains. Your portrayal of me doesn't align with actual facts.

To be a cheerleader? Is that what you want? You are a grown man, you don't need someone to tell you how to think.

We have an outgoing union President who totally changed the organization and operating structure of the staff in Herndon. It was refocused solely on support of pilots negotiating wages and defending their contract. He energized the staff and changed the work dynamic in a very positive way.

He looked out years into the future to define the threats that would leave you jobless in 10 years, well after Lee and I both retired. He has organized a combined attack on these threats to your job and to all future airline jobs. He has worked through a challenging negotiating environment that ended up with industry average wages rising 30+% during his tenure. He has increased the credibility and reach of ALPA throughout the government and the investment community. He has helped energize the airlines to work together with the union to protect our industry from a bunch of short term sellouts who will flush you down the toilet for one additional dollar.

Maybe I will add the FAR 117 process that was threatened to be hijacked by some who only care about money and not safety. Let's not forget the minimum pilot requirements for an airline job, another process that was primed to get hijacked by dollar signs and not safety. And for both, I am talking about what really happened not some stupid fairy tale concocted by the DPA crowd and their ilk. Both of these were incredibly complex, detailed negotiations that brought together a variety of players, many of whom have no interest in aviation safety.

I will just forget that before he became ALPA President he completely changed the paradigm of mergers and their effects on pilots. A change that is paying dividends to this day.

So yeah, he really didn't accomplish anything because some dolt wrote a stupid magazine article, that made no sense at all, and now the webboard crowd has yet one other side issue to carp about.

I am sorry, but he has changed this union more in the last 4 years than it has in the other 22 I have been a member. If serious people can't recognize that then heaven help us. We will be relegated to the blowhard, do nothing crowd that the Heidi people represent. At some point, you have to make a choice; do you want someone to hold your hand, pat your head and tell you how bad your life is or do you want someone to actually make your life better. Those are the stark choices we face today. Rhetoric over results or results over rhetoric.

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Who said we can't threaten to strike? Or strike for that matter?

Serious question. I don't recall seeing that anywhere.

That's only because you haven't been around here long enough.

Stand by and listen to your Reps, you'll hear all about how AA was 'parked' by the NMB because they asked for too much, and we can't do jack diddley when it comes to a job action, etc...:rolleyes:

The real question should be, why do we ALLOW the NMB to dictate to US, what THEY think is "Reasonable"?

Why isn't ALPA National attacking the Railway Labor Act?

That's over 4 posts per day average for every single day since you joined. :eek:

That chart covers 9 years, and while the far right number, 53%, looks good, when you remember that it's based on a 42% reduced pay rate to begin with, and it is only about 50% of what we GAVE UP, to SAVE DELTA, it is incredibly LAME, given the Billions we have earned for Delta!

That number should be 100%! We should have been Fully Restored by now! :rolleyes:

The PUB events are the essence of bottom up governing. Find out what the pilots are thinking and make sure they have the same knowledge base as the union leaders. They are not PR events. It is funny that you posted those pictures, how many of those did you attend? I was at all three. The woman and kids in those pictures are Buzz Hazzard's wife and children, one of the Moak minions in your eyes no doubt. They all flew down to Atlanta to attend the picketing and so did I. If you look carefully through those pictures you will find them populated by the very people you attack so mindlessly. So please spare me your sanctimonious crap. Times change and we live in different times which require different tactics. Adapt or die. You seem to want to live back in another era. Move along, it's time to grow up now and act like an adult.

That magazine article was not worth a warm bucket of spit and if you can't realize that then your negotiations strategy is equally worthless. I am sorry but the results of the people who think like you have been disastrous. And yet you cling to those tactics like some football coach trying to run a single wing offense. It is absolutely incredible that people like you can't seem to change.

Numbers don't lie:

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