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Elliot 09-24-2014 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1733414)
Restoration isn't a strategy, it's a GOAL!

But why won't our MEC even publish that, as a GOAL??

If you have NO GOAL, how do you ever expect to achieve it?

The strategy is simple, as I laid out a few pages back.

All they have to do is pull out the same play book we used in 2000-2001.

They first show the math, the actual dollars the Delta/NW Pilots have "Invested" in returning Delta to the top of the industry since bankruptcy.

Add to that our lost retirement dollars.

You simply put Delta Pilot pay rates, (lost pay) from 2004, up through 2014, on a graph, right next to Delta's Record Earnings and plot Management's pay over the same 10 year period.

I would have liked to have seen that graph in the Contract History book they just put out. :rolleyes:

Where is OUR return on investment?

We are still at 1998 pay rates.

That's what I got out of that contract history.

Aren't you given 'The Big Picture', possibly even framed and autographed, upon completion of your fini/retirement flight? :D

Timbo 09-24-2014 07:22 AM

I heard that picture was in that empty Delta hanger in TPA years ago!

Who owns that now?

I wonder if they took the Big Picture down?

It's probably been moved up to the empty MSP training center...

badflaps 09-24-2014 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Gearjerk (Post 1733428)
Aren't you given 'The Big Picture', possibly even framed and autographed, upon completion of your fini/retirement flight? :D

When I got mine, I unwrapped it... a picture of a donkey, drawn, autographed in disappearing ink.

Purple Drank 09-24-2014 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1733389)
Would someone please breakdown Moak's quotes in the Blomberg article and explain why we should be upset about them? I've seen a lot of people post the article and express outrage but the quotes in the article range from innocuous to unintelligible due to poor context by the author. I'm particularly interested in the "$2.00 or $2.05" quote. If you have a clue what that means I'm listening.

Why should we be upset about them? Are you for real?

Our union president is on record saying we don't expect or demand big gains. That's mind-boggling.

This will be the company's Exhibit A when (if) we get to mediation. Which I guess is pretty unlikely given Dalpa's unabashed appeasement mindset.

We get it. You're just happy to be here. You're happy with the contract you admit you don't know very well. Now get out of the way so the rest of us can do some heavy lifting to get us compensated commensurate with the company's success.

shiznit 09-24-2014 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1733440)
Why should we be upset about them? Are you for real?

Our union president is on record saying we don't expect or demand big gains. That's mind-boggling.

This will be the company's Exhibit A when (if) we get to mediation. Which I guess is pretty unlikely given Dalpa's unabashed appeasement mindset.

We get it. You're just happy to be here. You're happy with the contract you admit you don't know very well. Now get out of the way so the rest of us can do some heavy lifting to get us compensated commensurate with the company's success.

1. You didn't answer his question.

2. LOL....When are you going to show up and "do some heavy lifting"?

Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People

DAL 88 Driver 09-24-2014 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1733474)
1. You didn't answer his question.

I believe he directly answered his question in paragraph two of his post.

Flamer 09-24-2014 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1733414)
Restoration isn't a strategy, it's a GOAL!

But why won't our MEC even publish that, as a GOAL??

If you have NO GOAL, how do you ever expect to achieve it?

The strategy is simple, as I laid out a few pages back.

All they have to do is pull out the same play book we used in 2000-2001 to achieve our C2K rates.

They first show the math, the actual dollars the Delta/NW Pilots have "Invested" in returning Delta to the top of the industry since bankruptcy.

Add to that our lost retirement dollars.

You simply put Delta Pilot pay rates, (lost pay) from 2004, up through 2014, on a graph, right next to Delta's Record Earnings and plot Management's pay over the same 10 year period.

I would have liked to have seen that graph in the Contract History book they just put out. :rolleyes:

Where is OUR return on investment?

We are still at 1998 pay rates.

That's what I got out of that contract history.

I would like to see that graph also including other employee groups since it has been claimed that they are all back to pre-BK pay. This would be a very telling chart with all that graphed out. Pilots should be the the least inclined on that chart.

TheManager 09-24-2014 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by shiznit (Post 1733474)
1. You didn't answer his question.

2. LOL....When are you going to show up and "do some heavy lifting"?

Internet Trolls Really Are Horrible People

It is not often PD and I share the same view, but we do here, along with many others.

Moak was seriously negligent in his remarks and they will be used again against us. Guaranteed.

A complete dereliction in his duty to fully and fairly represent every ALPA pilot he represents.

Shameful.

Alan Shore 09-24-2014 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1733338)
Alan, please stop being a "lawyer" for a minute and use some common sense.

Have you been talking to my wife again? :o

Alan Shore 09-24-2014 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by tim123 (Post 1733342)
After this Bloomberg interview,didn't ALPA claim he was misquoted and that they were going to put out what he really ment?I might have missed it,but I do not remember any correction.

I thought they did, but I haven't seen one either.


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