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lemooron 06-11-2015 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1901863)
You can view it that way if you want. As long as he is associated with them, I will not even entertain the idea. I know you don't care, but I will betcha I am not alone

No, but you are more alone than you used to be.

You and I used to agree about DPA and no need for other representation. After reviewing this TA, I've changed my mind. I feel that the current DALPA administration is out of touch with it's members and we need to look at other options.

I'm not an "all or nothing"/"my way or the highway" kind of guy. I'm not trying to send a message to DALPA. I don't know TC except for what I've heard second hand.

My new and unexpected DPA card is in the mailbox. I'm not emotional or PO'd. I just want to open up a discussion about who best represents Delta pilots and our future. It doesn't mean that I will vote for DPA, but I will listen to what they have to say. The biggest part of my decision will be based on leadership. If TC is part of the equation then so it goes. I do respect your opinion and will want to know where you stand. It will be up to DPA to make their case.

BenderRodriguez 06-11-2015 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1901910)
There's no IF about it scambo. Refleeting to smaller gauge is EXACTLY what they're planning. This TA allows it and endorses it.

Carl

Does smaller gauge surprise anyone? We are a medium gauge airline. Period. Always will be. And we continually desire to be paid as such for some strange reason. Now, you are going to see the -88s be replaced with yet smaller airplanes and you will wonder why career earnings are going down.

Hello, McFly?

MoonShot 06-11-2015 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by lemooron (Post 1901920)
No, but you are more alone than you used to be.

You and I used to agree about DPA and no need for other representation. After reviewing this TA, I've changed my mind. I feel that the current DALPA administration is out of touch with it's members and we need to look at other options.

I'm not an "all or nothing"/"my way or the highway" kind of guy. I'm not trying to send a message to DALPA. I don't know TC except for what I've heard second hand.

My new and unexpected DPA card is in the mailbox. I'm not emotional or PO'd. I just want to open up a discussion about who best represents Delta pilots and our future. It doesn't mean that I will vote for DPA, but I will listen to what they have to say. The biggest part of my decision will be based on leadership. If TC is part of the equation then so it goes. I do respect your opinion and will want to know where you stand. It will be up to DPA to make their case.

I agree with this. I've given ALPA the benefit of the doubt... until now.

I'm also withdrawing my PAC contribution as I don't see ALPA supporting my views.

APCLurker 06-11-2015 09:07 AM

To anybody pushing for DPA:

caplinger has to go if there is any hope for that effort. The "He has said he won't run for office" rings hollow.

I can't believe that can't be realized.

Carl Spackler 06-11-2015 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by BenderRodriguez (Post 1901924)
Does smaller gauge surprise anyone? We are a medium gauge airline. Period. Always will be. And we continually desire to be paid as such for some strange reason. Now, you are going to see the -88s be replaced with yet smaller airplanes and you will wonder why career earnings are going down.

Hello, McFly?

But why would you ENDORSE that by signing this TA? Why tell management it's OK to refleet Europe with the smallest possible gauge? Do you not see what a danger that is?

Carl

Purple Drank 06-11-2015 09:12 AM

Do you have to be in the council to recall that respective council's rep?

BenderRodriguez 06-11-2015 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by lemooron (Post 1901920)
No, but you are more alone than you used to be.

You and I used to agree about DPA and no need for other representation. After reviewing this TA, I've changed my mind. I feel that the current DALPA administration is out of touch with it's members and we need to look at other options.

I'm not an "all or nothing"/"my way or the highway" kind of guy. I'm not trying to send a message to DALPA. I don't know TC except for what I've heard second hand.

My new and unexpected DPA card is in the mailbox. I'm not emotional or PO'd. I just want to open up a discussion about who best represents Delta pilots and our future. It doesn't mean that I will vote for DPA, but I will listen to what they have to say. The biggest part of my decision will be based on leadership. If TC is part of the equation then so it goes. I do respect your opinion and will want to know where you stand. It will be up to DPA to make their case.

Well that may very well be. I expressed my desires to my reps and they and the majority of my fellow pilots in base agreed and their votes reflected that. i have no complaints with them, and have no desire to replace them at this point with a bunch of digruntled guys. Sorry, but I don't. But, if the dpa wins the day and we have to replace them, then I will demand satisfaction from a bunch of guys that have all but guaranteed me restoration.

Get completely rid of Caplinger, and you will garner more interest. He is a liability at this point.

Frankly, I think everybody needs to wind their watch before sending in a donut card at this point. I like VERY little that I have seen as of yet in this thing, but I am very interested in hearing the logic and explanations before burning the house down.

I'll tell you a couple of things that really stick in my craw personally, and if you have read my stuff, they will come as no surprise.
One: They continually hold up the 777 rates as an apparent great thing while ignoring the FACT that very few will enjoy those rates, ever. We are a medium gauge airline. Hold up the 330 rates if you want, but to "sell" this based on 777s is ludicrous. The 350s won't even get here until we are working on a new deal, so why are they even in the discussion?
Two: I didn't want PS touched inside section 6, and to then use that monitization of PS in the pay increase is again disingenuous. We are not getting a 14.48% pay increase, we are getting an 8% pay increase. Just be honest with that.

TED74 06-11-2015 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1901898)
I'm with you on a lot of what you say but this is one of the main problems. The rest of the industry hasn't done jack to help us or itself. This will be our 3rd deal with no one to pattern off. It was time for someone else to set the bar higher and it never happened.

I can't argue with that at all. I'm hoping our FedEx brethren make something sweet happen quickly.

BenderRodriguez 06-11-2015 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1901931)
But why would you ENDORSE that by signing this TA? Why tell management it's OK to refleet Europe with the smallest possible gauge? Do you not see what a danger that is?

Carl

Absolutely. That is not what I was saying. Do not put words in my mouth.

All I am doing right now is 'enjoying' my little "I told you so" moment.

texavia 06-11-2015 09:22 AM

DPA or DALPA?

Sadly we are down to the lesser of two evils and the lesser evil is DPA.

Recall, vote NO and clean house now; unfortunately, for the long run DALPA needs to be pulled out by the roots.


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