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Carl Spackler 06-11-2015 07:42 AM

Walked past CNBC just now and thought it said: "Donutelli Recalled."

Stopped to hear the story and it was about Donuts from Walgreens recalled due to mold. That was cruel.

Carl

TheWagman 06-11-2015 07:45 AM

"Attention Delta Pilots! This is an important update!!! We are only in the Transmit mode and you shall only be in the Receiving mode! Please vote accordingly!" Brought to you by the Delta MEC Kim Jong Machine ;)

Timbo 06-11-2015 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1901819)
As pilots don't we always have a plan B? Don't we use pilots for negotiating against professional negotiators because they think like us?

So let's start thinking like them.

From now on, don't brief a second runway or missed approach. No plan Bs in honor of the NC.:rolleyes:

No, I think their Plan B was,

"If we have to go missed approach, we will just pull the nose up, cut both engines, roll it inverted and pull...":rolleyes:

There was Zero preparation of the battle field here, and they can't claim they didn't know it was coming, like they did for the rushed C2012 contract. They KNEW when the amendable date was and they knew when we were going to exchange openers. What they didn't do was to tell this pilot group how many Billions of Delta's record "Earnings" were actually derived directly from our Bankruptcy Pay Rates and lost DB funding!

Then, they violated the number one request of every pilot's survey;

"DON'T TOUCH PROFIT SHARING!":rolleyes:

Qotsaautopilot 06-11-2015 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1901418)
The agreement reduces the total number of allowed RJ's from 450 to 425.

But the 50 seaters are dying on their own and the TA adds more large rjs. If voted down the result will be much lower than 425 just due to market forces. The regionals can't staff the new large rjs at this time so that's why this ab anitio language is in there. Train guys from zero and you have a slave for life willing to constantly lower the bar. It's been happening in Europe for years now. Don't fall for it!

gloopy 06-11-2015 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1901387)
gloopy-
Not sure I understand what you're asking?
EASKs go away. We will now use aircraft block hours.

Gauge will no longer be a factor.
Like the groundskeeper pointed out - a Delta Cessna will equal an AF/KLM A-380.

The "conversion" was only for purposes of clarity in the debate and they used our current fleets. A moment in time snapshot.

We are supposed to be flying 53% of the block hours. We now fly 51.
The new agreement takes it down to 49.

In the future they could pull all the 7ERs off the Atlantic and start flying Cessnas.

My question would be ===> what's the payrate on that Cessna? :D

OK so what block hour percentage are we currently flying in the AF/KLM JV right now?

Because we are supposed to be flying 50% already, although we got rolled when we allowed 50% to be defined as 48.5%.

Where does the 67% block hour number come from then? Even if thats with VA added in, the split with VA would have to be enormous (and in our favor) to put the entire trans Atlantic at that number.

Right now we currently fly 67% block hours and that is beause of the EASK measurement methodology. If we abandon EASK and only go for a pernamant 49/51 reset (in management's favor, once again…WTH by the way?) then how low can our 67% go, including AF/KLM and VA total?

DALFA 06-11-2015 07:51 AM

Just FYI:

The combined average seats on the international fleets of AF/KL is 342.5 per aircraft.

The combined average seats on the international fleet of DL is 255.5 per aircraft. This number will decrease going forward with the retirement of the 747.

With block hours, our JV partners will be carrying about 40% more passengers on the JV than Delta.

Moondog 06-11-2015 07:59 AM

OK, I think I saw that in the event of being on SC and not used we will get one hour of credit, really? How about a full day's credit (5+15?) At least 4+15. It's not my fault I didn't get called, I was ready for the full 12 hours. And I couldn't drink a beer for the previous 8 hours. If I misunderstood that provision sorry for the rant but I have yet to understand why SC is not credited for reserve guarantee. Harsh away.

forgot to bid 06-11-2015 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1901834)
No, I think their Plan B was,

"If we have to go missed approach, we will just pull the nose up, cut both engines, roll it inverted and pull...":rolleyes:

There was Zero preparation of the battle field here, and they can't claim they didn't know it was coming, like they did for the rushed C2012 contract. They KNEW when the amendable date was and they knew when we were going to exchange openers. What they didn't do was to tell this pilot group how many Billions of Delta's record "Earnings" were actually derived directly from our Bankruptcy Pay Rates and lost DB funding!

Then, they violated the number one request of every pilot's survey;

"DON'T TOUCH PROFIT SHARING!":rolleyes:

NC: "This will be a visual backed up by the ILS 27L, minimums don't apply, speed is whatever atc wants, highest threat is the people in the back."

Pilot: "They're landing to the east, atc said 8L."

NC: "This will be a visual backed up by the ILS 27L, minimums don't apply, speed is whatever atc wants, highest threat is the people in the back."

Pilot: "But they're landing to the east, 8L."

NC:

http://i.imgur.com/GeMvi.gif

Moondog 06-11-2015 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by DALFA (Post 1901840)
Just FYI:

The combined average seats on the international fleets of AF/KL is 342.5 per aircraft.

The combined average seats on the international fleet of DL is 255.5 per aircraft. This number will decrease going forward with the retirement of the 747.

With block hours, our JV partners will be carrying about 40% more passengers on the JV than Delta.

I am still a booger eating probie and I don't understand all the JV stuff. Are they flying Delta Pax? Are we flying their Pax? Is this percentage talk how we divide the $ for carrying each others pax? A bit confused. May be too big a topic for a chat forum.

BenderRodriguez 06-11-2015 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1901498)
This Sir is a complete failure by ALPA to develop a national airline pilot policy that looks forward more than one contract at a time. There is no long term strategy. Senior guys within ALPA serve management while serving themselves.

"Nobody at mainline wants to fly small jets. Having outsourced small jets is good for mainline."

- Lee Moak

Interesting that you are quoting that LM quote. Does that mean you will be bidding the left seat on a 190?


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