Airline Pilot Central Forums - Details on Delta TA

I think you can make that argument with any give and take in a TA?

Honestly I don't know. Unforeseen consequences and all that.

It will not change the top 25% of biddable LCA trips. But sure, it will change how about 180 people bid each month system wide.

Denny Crane

06-10-2015 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900537)

It is a QOL change for 250 pilots each month.

These are the number who bid w/ LCA /OE's each month currently.

Granted, that 250 could be anyone senior in category each month. But of our pilot group that is the number effected each month.

I disagree. If you take those trips out of the bid sequence prior to letting any FO bid them, there is a trickle down effect to the most junior line holder. Each bidder might have been able to hold a higher priority trip they wanted. As an example, if a commutable trip is removed, then some one is not going to get it and @@@@ flows downhill.

Denny

LeineLodge

06-10-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 1900532)

I won't argue the amount of jobs it costs. I'm sure it's close BUT (hey, it's a big but!), it can possibly effect 75% of the FO's in EVERY category! That, of course is based on the amount of training going on in each category but it is possible.

It is a HUGE QOL give back.

Denny

No question you are correct.

After having heard the bulk of the rationale behind the bullet points, I have to say I could probably support this thing without this provision.

A lot of the other stuff is getting blown way out of proportion. The pay is underwhelming, but I refuse to use terms like "insulting" or "slap in the face." It is just business.

Professor

06-10-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dvhighdrive88 (Post 1900541)

Is the MEC vote to release to Mem Rat expected today?

Looks like it may be tomorrow. But TBD.

roadrunner65

06-10-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900525)

It is a give. Such is the nature of opening up contract negotiations.

The costing is coming in at around 117 jobs that are potentially effected.

That is when we are hiring and at a full OE op-tempo.

IF we ever stop hiring, the company now has to carry 117 more. So a swing of 234 jobs.

Hope this answers your question.

The lost jobs are bad enough. The bigger problem is that I'll have than many fewer trips to choose from every month, and I won't even know which ones will be unavailable when I do my bid. Rotation quality has tanked enough in the past year to remove even more.choices from the bid package. Their lack of foresight in staffing isn't my $!÷×£ING problem. Let them deal with it. Major concession. This affects ALL F/O's, not just the senior ones. Scheisse rolls downhill boys.

tunes

06-10-2015 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900542)

i dont mean how they bid, i mean schedules in general...with those trips being withheld the quality of lines for everyone has to go down, and now people that were line holders aren't anymore....or am i missing something?

Professor

06-10-2015 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrunner65 (Post 1900547)

It is something to consider if the membership gets to vote on the TA.

The full implementation of this language is something I am guessing that crew resources can't predict either.

But as I said, it is something to consider when considering the TA as a whole.

Professor

06-10-2015 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1900548)

No you are not. I am.

I am asking for clarification and will be back to you with an answer.

roadrunner65

06-10-2015 08:18 AM

Bottom line holders bumped to reserve and bottom of the category potentially bumped to the next smaller airframe.

3 green

06-10-2015 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900525)