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Did they not just say that we have to provide access to our medical records if we exceed the 15 day look back? Did they not just say that the lookback is effective upon date of signing? Sounds to me like retroactive. Having not seen the language, I can only assume it will be even worse.

EdGrimley

06-10-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Kingsley (Post 1900737)

I know that and so does he, our union shutdown our forum. So they come here, why can't we have this discussion on our dalpa forum? Where's the transparency?

It appears hundreds of negative comments have been removed from the Delta MEC FB page. See a pattern here? Control the message at all cost. The survey results are never released because the survey results are in-congruent with the "message" being sold.

For the record, repeating publicly that "if we don't take this deal we are iced" damages our cause far worse than releasing survey results that by all accounts asked many times over what this TA proposes.

The behavior of our union leadership is shady, opaque and unprofessional. The information being disseminated is tilted, lacking in accuracy and is only promoting one side of the equation. There may be legal implications to this.

sailingfun

06-10-2015 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TCMC17RES (Post 1900814)

Statement:
5.74% of variable compensation converted to fixed compensation in the form of hourly pay rates, assuming the Company achieves PTIX of $6.0+ billion every year o This impact is reduced if PTIX is less than $6 billion

Please back me up on my napkin math...

Last year I earned a PS bonus at 16.58% on 4.5B

If I turn this into an equation we can find the %rate (x) earned per B$ profit:

2.5X + 2(4.5-2.5)X = 16.58

2.5X + 4X = 16.58
6.5X = 16.58
X = 2.55 %/B$

This is the rate that we earned last year per billion profit @10% return
With this TA we give up (6.0-2.5) = 3.5X = 8.9%

How does Alpa come up with 5.74%?

Your math is wrong. The profit was 6.7 billion. Your are using net profit not PTEX. A mistake that keeps happening on here.

RetiredFTS

06-10-2015 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rahc (Post 1900604)

I find it funny how the Delta MEC is deleting every single negative post on their FB page now.

Professor, can you ask why the Facebook page is being manipulated into a sales pitch only and not a two way discussion?

LeineLodge

06-10-2015 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 1900820)

Professor, In th sick part of the TA. It says 365 rolling look back for more than 15 days out sick for verification. So my understanding is compared to c2012 it doesn't look back to just the sick yr June 1st to jun 1st? It constantly looks back 365 days?

Looking at the NC slides that I downloaded before they were pulled, this is correct. It is a rolling 365.

Denny Crane

06-10-2015 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900799)

You should. The vote will be in open session so you sure will. And absolutely not a bad question. The process is a bit foreign to most of us.

If you are there for it, can/will you post how each MEC member voted? Or better yet so no names are used, there base and position?

Denny

pilotstats

06-10-2015 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1900801)

For those interested the Strategic Planning committee slides are available on the DALPA website.

Lots of good info in it. If there are questions please post them here, call your reps or email/call a P2P rep.

Thanks.

https://dal.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...d=0&TabId=2593

Thank you for that link, very interesting presentation and I wish I would have been able to attend. I hope those who were there took good notes.
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Denny Crane

06-10-2015 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Maddog Heaven (Post 1900812)

Concessions....Dr. Seuss

Would you take concessions here and there?
Would you take them anywhere?

I would not could not here or there.
I would not take them anywhere

Would you could you with Vaseline?
Or with a beer?
Plus Dramamine?

I would not could not with Vaseline.
Nor with a beer.
And Dramamine.
I do not like concessions, Mike, you see.
Go back to the table.
Until then, leave me be.

Now THAT is effing hilarious!:D I don't care who you are! Well Done sir!

Denny

LeineLodge

06-10-2015 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TCMC17RES (Post 1900814)

I'm not even going to attempt public math :D

In addition to what Sailing posted, I think some of the difference you're coming up with might be due to the fact that the new 10% piece (2.5B-6B) is multiplied off of a rate 14ish% higher than the current rates. Other than that someone else will have to correct it. I have heard the reps challenge some of the slides/assumptions. The 5.74% isn't one that has been challenged.

Btw the NC Q&A is finished....

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