You guys can spin and sell all you want.

None of the concessions we made in C2012 was necessary.

By C2012 our bankruptcy concessions were no longer necessary and yet we let them continue.

And now? C2015?

Delta is going to make $6 Billion and the insiders are sprinting into Mike Campbell's concessions.

Why would we make concessions during record profits?

No, I posted that somewhat TIC. I'll do my due diligence and then either vote or shadow vote (I may or may not be eligible based on timing). If I can't vote, my only influence to the contract that will affect me and my family is input to my reps and buddies who will be voting.

I'm just not optimistic the deal will be fair compensation for what those of you who went through BK are worth, nor what those who are actually generating the cash flow deserve. For new guys like me, it will look great on paper and (I suspect) won't have any trouble passing. When you compare a turd to diarrhea, it really doesn't look so bad.

It's the trend for labor in every sector - transfer the earnings and profits from those generating them to to those who simply gamble or shuffle other peoples' money. The right wing often thinks this is natural capitalism and perfectly fair...I find it unfortunate and unsustainable over the very long term. The massive profits resulting from low oil prices will be unevenly captured by those at the top who are no more responsible for them than the folks who clean our airplanes on a turn.

I guess you get what you ask (vote) for. Too bad more pilots aren't (I suspect) going to demand what they deserve, and more importantly (since deserving is mostly irrelevant), what the market CAN support.

Again, this is your opinion. I don't see any indication that we are "sprinting" towards concessions. I expect our pie to get significantly bigger in any potential TA, and will vote accordingly if it doesn't meet my personal criteria.

If you have specific information as to what's been going on at the table, then we'd all love to hear it. Otherwise any prediction of concessions, potential payrate increases, work rules modifications, etc are speculation at this point.

I can't disagree with any of that. The game is always rigged against us.

This is the best negotiating environment we've seen in a looooong time and my personal expectation is that the result of this contract should reflect that.

Do you really believe ALPA wont try to sell concessions with a payraise? Items like profit sharing, sick leave, productivity benefits for the company(such as FO's and LCA bidding), and scope. Of course, they wont call them concessions.

I believe the company has some wants this round too. Anyone who thinks we are going to reach a deal that doesn't address some of their concerns is kidding themselves and is going to be disappointed.

I don't know any specifics of what they are looking for (neither do any of us at this point) but I do expect our share to be disproportionally higher than the company's, by a lot.

To borrow someone's analogy from a few days ago, I'm expecting ours to be 95% and the company's 5%. Technically you could call that a concession, but I'd still term it a win.

Arguing for the sake of arguing is about as productive as a Suduko puzzle.

What's the over under that we'll have something this week?

TA in membership hands by June 1st

Maybe.....Special MEC meeting today and tomorrow. A week for the MEC to review the TA if that is what the meeting is about. Depends on what the MEC meeting is about I guess.

According to reps though, pay hasn't even been discussed so I'm saying we don't see a TA until mid June.

We know the company's goal is to produce a contract that garners 50% +1 with the vote.

What is DALPA's goal? Also 50%+1? Or as close to 100% as possible? Where is that goal written?