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Carl Spackler 05-18-2015 12:52 PM

Well, the first Family Awareness publication is out. One third of it involves talking about how DALPA has gotten it's contract on time and others haven't. Main takeaway looks to be how important doing things quick is to DALPA.

Carl

EdGrimley 05-18-2015 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1883379)
Well, the first Family Awareness publication is out. One third of it involves talking about how DALPA has gotten it's contract on time and others haven't. Main takeaway looks to be how important doing things quick is to DALPA.

Carl

That's what I saw as well. Not much of what you would expect from a family awareness email (ie it's important to get your finances in order and build up a slush fund to keep you going in the event the company does not bargain in good faith). That happens when Ford and Harrison puts the stuff together and ALPA email blasts it for them.

Carl Spackler 05-18-2015 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1883400)
That's what I saw as well. Not much of what you would expect from a family awareness email (ie it's important to get your finances in order and build up a slush fund to keep you going in the event the company does not bargain in good faith). b]That happens when Ford and Harrison puts the stuff together and ALPA email blasts it for them.[/b]

Exactamundo.

Carl

MOTOJOE 05-18-2015 02:33 PM

Well if that chitchat rumor is close to 9/9/5/5 it's a done deal... Just sayn. If it passed at 4/8/4/4 or was it 4/8/3/3? it will pass hands down at 28% raise for three yrs. plain and simple, a third of the airline retires in the next three to five yrs. I don't think they really care if the credit for vacation goes up,or the scope is better, etc...

DeadHead 05-18-2015 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 1883425)
Well if that chitchat rumor is close to 9/9/5/5 it's a done deal... Just sayn. If it passed at 4/8/4/4 or was it 4/8/3/3? it will pass hands down at 28% raise for three yrs. plain and simple, a third of the airline retires in the next three to five yrs. I don't think they really care if the credit for vacation goes up,or the scope is better, etc...

If everything status or better contractually, that'd probably pass.

Meaningless however unless we know what the plan is with regard to PS.

Purple Drank 05-18-2015 03:17 PM

...and sick leave, freezes, misc "staffing" fixes, etc.

Any discussion based solely on rates is a waste of time.

More money and more time off.

forgot to bid 05-18-2015 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1883433)
If everything status or better contractually, that'd probably pass.

Meaningless however unless we know what the plan is with regard to PS.

That will pass no matter what happens to PS. They could eliminate PS and that would pass. Which is probably what happened.

Army80 05-18-2015 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 1883425)
Well if that chitchat rumor is close to 9/9/5/5 it's a done deal... Just sayn. If it passed at 4/8/4/4 or was it 4/8/3/3? it will pass hands down at 28% raise for three yrs. plain and simple, a third of the airline retires in the next three to five yrs. I don't think they really care if the credit for vacation goes up,or the scope is better, etc...


Not to be a math Nazi, but a 9/9/5/5 contract would be a 30.98% total pay increase. Toss out the hat and give us an RJ leather flight jacket and I'm in. :)

sailingfun 05-18-2015 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 1883425)
Well if that chitchat rumor is close to 9/9/5/5 it's a done deal... Just sayn. If it passed at 4/8/4/4 or was it 4/8/3/3? it will pass hands down at 28% raise for three yrs. plain and simple, a third of the airline retires in the next three to five yrs. I don't think they really care if the credit for vacation goes up,or the scope is better, etc...

The negotiating environment is quite different now from contract 2012. The quarter prior to signing the contract we lost money. American, United and Cal and USAIR were drags on the industry. USair competed with us on more city pairs then anyone else and paid their CA's 125 an hour.
Those issues are now all in the past. The negotiating environment is light years better then back then and most pilots recognize that. USair is paid more then us today. There is no real comparison from then to now.

qball 05-18-2015 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by MOTOJOE (Post 1883425)
Well if that chitchat rumor is close to 9/9/5/5 it's a done deal... Just sayn. If it passed at 4/8/4/4 or was it 4/8/3/3? it will pass hands down at 28% raise for three yrs. plain and simple, a third of the airline retires in the next three to five yrs. I don't think they really care if the credit for vacation goes up,or the scope is better, etc...

In my last five years…I will vote no AGAIN…if it's turd AGAIN


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