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QUOTE=Elliot;1882781]..PM sent..[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 1882769)

so potentially a TA next week and no leaks? The chitchat did have a new 9/9/5/5 rumor.

9 at signing and 9 on 1 JAN 16 for a 3 year deal or 9,9,4,4, on a 4 year deal?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1882793)

9 at signing and 9 on 1 JAN 16 for a 3 year deal or 9,9,4,4, on a 4 year deal?

The "RUMOR" is for a three year deal. Nine percent at signing, nine on Jan. 1st, 2016. Five percent each year after, for two years. Overall, with no other details, a 30% increase from current rates.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1882793)

9 at signing and 9 on 1 JAN 16 for a 3 year deal or 9,9,4,4, on a 4 year deal?

That was for a 3 year.. No other rumors. Better not include PS concessions

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Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 1882799)

Of course that would include profit sharing concession, more relaxation of scope/JV, and change in how FO's bid with LCA.

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Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1882842)

Of course that would include profit sharing concession, more relaxation of scope/JV, and change in how FO's bid with LCA.

Then it's a no, no, and no. From me at least.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1882749)

True and a valid comparison when looking at SW. Not so valid when looking at AMR or UAL who have multiple fleet types like Delta. If they are doing less training it's because of contractual differences like pay banding and length of freezes.

AA and UA have less fleet types than we do, and AA is agressively getting rid of 88's (or wonder 80's or whatever they call them) and will soon have even less. Even now I think we lead the industry in fleet types, including types with significant operational and marketing overlap. All that needs to be backed out and credited for the marketing premium.

As for pay banding, even if we go to 3 bands there's major debate as to how much training that would really save. Unless we're talking increased freezes or whatever, which I'd hope wouldn't be in a TA. For a few years banding would probably cause as many moves as it saves. People don't just bid around for the relatively small hourly differentials between most categories as much as they do for relative seniority, bases, upgrades, types of flying and other factors. Change the game mid stream and you will create bidding in an attempt to save bidding.

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Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 1882799)

This isn't directed at you at all, but even if that's true its irrelevant without the rest of it particularly scope, work rules and PS.

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Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 1882836)

That was for a 3 year.. No other rumors. Better not include PS concessions

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Originally Posted by Scooter432 (Post 1882767)

don't worry..a bunch of us will be done with 717 OE by the middle of June. Hopefully the staffing number will be correct around then for schedule enhancement :)

Just a friendly suggestion about worrying about internet rumors...maybe you ought to focus on training, getting through OE, and off probation. There have been a few that haven't been successful and don't have to worry about a contract vote.

If your internet pseudonym and posts are an accurate representation of your status, you'll have plenty of time to internet beyotch after that.:)

btw, welcome aboard!

Can I get a link to chit chat please???

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