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Hawaii50 05-01-2015 05:29 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1871954)
And being a troll who doesn't even read the posts helps your credibility?

Have a nice day.

Carl

Troll? Pretty sure I've been here a lot longer than you. Just tired (again) of the fact that no one can have a point of view without 10 of your posts telling them how they're wrong. Especially when your track record is so bad. Give and take is good but when someone comes on here with a post then gets Fud, company wonk, shill, now troll in return, that's wrong. You seem to be a very angry, bitter old man who beats the same message drum day in and day out.

Carl Spackler 05-01-2015 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Hawaii50 (Post 1871987)
Troll? Pretty sure I've been here a lot longer than you. Just tired (again) of the fact that no one can have a point of view without 10 of your posts telling them how they're wrong. Especially when your track record is so bad. Give and take is good but when someone comes on here with a post then gets Fud, company wonk, shill, now troll in return, that's wrong. You seem to be a very angry, bitter old man who beats the same message drum day in and day out.


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Carl

Hawaii50 05-01-2015 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1871992)

Nice. Maybe you should lead with your left next time.

Doug Masters 05-01-2015 06:51 AM


Originally Posted by Herkflyr (Post 1871668)
Just read any TA, evaluate, vote accordingly and give your fellow pilot the deference to do the same.

Might be tough. I expect the TA will have lotta big words for us mere line guys. After all, a few pages back Sailing told me to make every effort to understand it. :rolleyes:

gzsg 05-01-2015 07:32 AM

C2015 Is on the very fast track. Why? We can speculate and debate, IMO management want it done quick for 2 reasons:

1) American Airlines will make $3.3 billion plus in Q2 and it will become apparent to even the slowest that they will make $10 billion plus this year and we will make the same in 2016 with no poor hedging. Reducing profit sharing will not even remotely be an option and management knows that. Simply look at all the recent trial balloons for reducing profit sharing here and on chit chat, not to mention LCA AQFOs.

2) Concessions--Even after their own Steve Dickson told them to begin hiring earlier, our management chose not to. Now (as I have predicted over and over) the schoolhouse is full and we are training off campus. Now the fact that they cannot train enough pilots to cover the schedule is our fault. And they need concessions. Our PWA is written in sand.

If our leaders choose to make concessions, they must be temporary. Using C2012 as an example. We will flex up the ALV 2 hours for 24 months while management catches up with the training they neglected. For this concession, management will upgrade a minimum of 100 captains per month and pay the extra 2 hours at time and a half.

Many said this would never happen and training would never be an issue. Here we are in a bind and the retirements have barely begun.

**** poor planning on your part does.........

sailingfun 05-01-2015 07:44 AM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1872068)
C2015 Is on the very fast track. Why? We can speculate and debate, IMO management want it done quick for 2 reasons:

1) American Airlines will make $3.3 billion plus in Q2 and it will become apparent to even the slowest that they will make $10 billion plus this year and we will make the same in 2016 with no poor hedging. Reducing profit sharing will not even remotely be an option and management knows that. Simply look at all the recent trial balloons for reducing profit sharing here and on chit chat, not to mention LCA AQFOs.

2) Concessions--Even after their own Steve Dickson told them to begin hiring earlier, our management chose not to. Now (as I have predicted over and over) the schoolhouse is full and we are training off campus. Now the fact that they cannot train enough pilots to cover the schedule is our fault. And they need concessions. Our PWA is written in sand.

If our leaders choose to make concessions, they must be temporary. Using C2012 as an example. We will flex up the ALV 2 hours for 24 months while management catches up with the training they neglected. For this concession, management will upgrade a minimum of 100 captains per month and pay the extra 2 hours at time and a half.

Many said this would never happen and training would never be an issue. Here we are in a bind and the retirements have barely begun.

**** poor planning on your part does.........

Jerry, I just went through training. They are doing fine. We talked a long time ago about this and you said they would not even be able to hire 100 a month. They are hiring in excess of that number now. They are going off sight for some training but most of that will be brought back in house with the addition of a 737 and a330 sim. Nobody in the training department was talking or acting like a big crises is looming.

gzsg 05-01-2015 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1872075)
Jerry, I just went through training. They are doing fine. We talked a long time ago about this and you said they would not even be able to hire 100 a month. They are hiring in excess of that number now. They are going off sight for some training but most of that will be brought back in house with the addition of a 737 and a330 sim. Nobody in the training department was talking or acting like a big crises is looming.

I LOVE to hear that! That means we will be taking no productivity concessions because they are not necessary.

Perhaps since training us under control we can actually get more training and not less.

Thanks for the info.

Jerry

TED74 05-01-2015 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1871236)
I'm all-in to maximize our money and time off. That's my agenda. What's yours?


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1871245)
Exactly the same.

Do you two PM much?

Purple Drank 05-01-2015 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 1872326)
Do you two PM much?

Once. It was, as you might suspect, unproductive.

RonRicco 05-02-2015 01:32 AM


Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1872343)
Once. It was, as you might suspect, unproductive.

Since you claim that he is a shill for management, didn't you just demand that he come over to your way of thinking? (Tic)


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