Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1744787)

Cute. You make these results sound like some non-biased third-party study, as opposed to your own personal over-simplified checklist.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1744807)

The hollow threats of "labor peace" are not nearly the leverage he wants you to think it is. We can stomp our feet till the cows return to Capistrano, but we will still go to work until we are allowed to do otherwise.

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1744815)

We can do a lot more than stomp our feet....... :D

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1744824)

Ask your North brethren, but not on the internet.......

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1744828)

No thanks. I don't want to get sued. I know their tactics and I want no part of that. YMMV. Flame on.

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1744838)

That's OK T the rest of us will fight for you. :D

Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1744838)

That's OK T the rest of us will fight for you. :D

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1744766)

Since 38% comes up quite a bit short of restoring the pay cuts we took in an extreme financial crisis for Delta, I think Carl is being quite reasonable.

I'm willing to be even more reasonable. I'd take 25% on day one, as long as the next 3 or 4 years provided increases large enough to get us close to full restoration of those pay cuts (in terms of buying power) by that point.

I realize your context for this discussion is very limited, Oberon. But the perspective Carl and I are giving is the perspective of someone who has been around this profession quite a bit longer and apparently has a better appreciation for the value of what we do as professional aviators.

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1744762)

Do you think labor peace alone is worth 38% or are other areas of leverage worth something and labor peace brings us up to 38%? How much do you think labor peace is worth?

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1744762)

Does anyone know what our current contract costs? It would be interesting to estimate a cost for certain items. For instance if we think labor peace is worth 10% we could say it is worth $xxx million. I think that would be useful in determining how reasonable one's position is.

Originally Posted by Oberon (Post 1744762)

I'm not picking on you Carl. 38% is pretty specific so you must have put some thought into it. I'm interested in your cost projections. 38% sounds pretty good. How do we get there?