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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1734178)

You DO know that "cost neutral" was the exact words used by Richard and Ed to describe TA2012...right?

I did not know that. Where and when did each of them utter those exact words?

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1734095)

Perhaps because he never really wanted the job in the first place but took it out of a sense of duty.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1734109)

Even coming from you index this is ludicrous.

Please learn to read an LM-2 and understand what it means.

So Alan, you chose to ignore the rest of my post which was entirely about the outrageous insinuation that Lee never really wanted to be ALPA President (then why the hell did he run for it?) and that he only did so "out of a sense of duty"? YGBSM. You must agree with this nonsense or you would've addressed it directly. Instead you pulled one snippet out of my post and attempted, mightily unsuccessfully I might add, to refute it.

Whether the Donald made $1.3m or $1,278,848 is trivial. The point is he is FAR better off than any of the peons (us) he's supposed to represent.

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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1733987)

So... again, none of what Lee had to say as president to anyone had any effect on any of the stuff you outlined in your diatribe?

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Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1734169)

Why is it that you believe it will have such a dramatic effect? Or are you merely picking fly specks out of pepper? Lee doesn't vote for any of us. He will only be a rubber stamp on the first page of our contract. Or will this launch black helicopters so thick that they will scare the negotiators into bringing forth some sort of agreement that, even though distasteful to 12,000 pilots, will garner enough support to pass? Fear? That is the effect that these "statements" will produce? Really? It is a real shame that you have so little confidence in our negotiators.

I'll be honest with you. I haven't read that article because I don't care what he said. I will still read the TA, and I will still vote up or down based on its' merits. YMMV... (apparently)

Clamp has now asked this question three times. Alfaromeo dodged it twice, and you did your standard answering by asking other questions. Do you care to actually answer the question?

Carl

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 1734122)

All those little things add up to less manning required, obviously. That is my point.

As I said before, where I'm at today, it won't affect me at all, but go about half way down the list, that starts to add up to more stagnation for F/O's looking to upgrade and for new hires, well, you'd better get used to being on the bottom, when all the 747 pilots start raining down on you, while we are giving even more manning concessions with pay banding.

R.E. the 'we can mitigate it with increasing the vacation day' theory. No, you can't, unless you also stop allowing guys to pick up more flying in every vacation month.

Make Vacation both pay AND CREDIT, now you've fixed it.

Make the swap board and swap with the pot, subject to the same pickup limits as white slips, that will help mitigate pay banding too.

Timbo, what you are proposing would meet with a significant pushback from a lot of your fellow pilots. One of the things I liked about our contract was the flexibility it offered, if I wanted more pay I could use the system to fly more, or, I could use the system to fly as little as possible. Another point is that the company has a limit to what they are going to pay in C2015, the pie is only so big before the Company says NO. That is an economic reality so the question is how to divide the pie. What you propose would eat up a large portion of the pie and would take money away from a large portion of your fellow pilots. Your proposals are popular but I think they would meet with a lot of pushback. Just my opinion
I have heard from very reliable sources that the Company is very upset with sick leave usage, I.e April and May see significantly higher sick time usage than other months. Not casting dispersion on my former teammates but it isn't a coincidence that the bank gets reloaded in June. They are also looking for a way to mitigate training and pay banding is at the top of the list.
Whatever the outcome I will be rooting for my Bro's from the sidelines

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1734180)

Believe what you want. His salary is based on the highest paid positions at the 5 highest paid ALPA carriers, plus an override of 25%. A very handsome salary, to be sure, but nothing near what the LM-2 shows (I haven't been privy to his W-2). He also gets a pension for the time he serves as ALPA President to compensate him for accruing no retirement funds at his own carrier during that period of time.

The rest of his compensation as shown on the LM-2 reflects the value of his housing in DC, his transportation while there, his lodging while on the road, meal and travel expenses, etc. I believe that any pilot who spends time working for ALPA and is reimbursed for expenses receives a W-2 for those reimbursements.

Now you're just being stubborn Alan. You were wrong to attack index when you didn't know what you were talking about. We all have to play by the same rules. IRS rules. Lee's taxable income from ALPA was 1.3 million.

Carl

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Originally Posted by index (Post 1734104)

Now that's funny.:rolleyes:

You're saying he took one for the team. Lee "sacrificed" himself for the greater good and made nearly $1.3m in compensation in 2012 alone! Thanks Lee!

Duty, honor, ALPA.

Even coming from you sailing this is ludicrous. But at least you're making progress, not a single grammar or spelling mistake. That's quite an accomplishment. Congrats!

ALPA.org
"MyALPA" dropdown,

e-library > "Administration" > Officer and Nat'l Committee Compensation > National Officers
Here's a shortcut (you'll still have to login)

As of August 2014:
$265,841 salary
$16,000 taxable per diem
$178,739 for RSP and vacation cash-out

He's on track to earn in normal earnings:
$398,911 in wages
$24k in taxable perdiem (which isn't income, as we all like to say about our per diem)
Plus his cashed out vacation and RSP

I know a DAL M88 CA who made more than that in 2013 (and still didn't work as hard as the ALPA Pres.)

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1734181)

Delta pilots are NOT the highest cost pilots in the industry sailingfud.

Carl

Carl again reverts to name calling. Seems to be his personality. Please Carl post the total block hour costs for pilots in the US airline industry in 2013.

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Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1734094)

Then tell us about the current SWA slowdown.

I don't know how long this "slowdown" has been going on, but if it hasn't started in the last week or so, I think it's a great great thing. As an investor, it has done nothing but drive the stock price up. :cool:

Disclaimer: I only own puts and calls on LUV, but they are ALL in the money, so thanks SWAPA.

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Originally Posted by Alan Shore (Post 1734184)

I did not know that. Where and when did each of them utter those exact words?

Interesting new tactic here. Even though the articles and links to those articles were posted here many times, you've decided to wait 2.5 years then claim those words were never used. I've told you before I won't spend one second finding posts from 2.5 years ago. Most everyone here remembers the articles and the exact phrase of "cost neutral" used by Richard and Ed to describe TA2012. The DALPA road shows even had to address the cost neutral statement because Richard and Ed made it before the vote had even happened yet.

But again, I think it's important for you to keep these tactics up. It educates people on what we're up against here.

Carl