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Originally Posted by gloopy
(Post 1734299)
First of all the reserve concessions we gave up were very significant for both long call and all day one assignments for both reserve QOL and manning. We paid a steep price in work rules we'll never get back for that ADG.
Second, I don't say very much if anything about Moak, other than criticizing him for his obviously fake "I have no intention to run for office at this time" 10 minutes before he ran, and his potential offering up of the DAL pilot seniority list in any possible merger with a young/start up/low longevity airline to estoll the virtues of universal ALPA membership. As well as him signing the unprecidented Pinnacle agreement and secret "vault letter" nonsense that for the first time gave another pilot group the legal ability to negotiate with DL management to "own" DL flying. That is entirely unacceptable. Other than that, I'm not "anti-Moak" (5 figure oil paintings notwithstanding) critic nor have I advocated the other potential union. I actually think he does a fairly good job on "the hill" with many issues, which is a good thing. And his hair always looks fantastic. Besides he's going away anyway soon regardless. Nor have I condemned the other potential union, though they have their issues as well to be sure. I'm very much in favor of change within up until the moment we actually, legally have another union, if ever, and do not have a card in for the other guys either. Yet. I have concerns with ALPA, as I would have concerns with any union. But ALPA is what we have. The ADG increase was a gain for sure. We paid a lot for it though. 5 more weeks to go I guess. :rolleyes: Can you please expand on what we paid for it? I have to agree with Herkflyr - the 5+15 ADG will be huge - it does not seem to me that we paid a lot - maybe I am missing something. Thanks Scoop |
deleted. I have better things to do than argue with a fool.
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Originally Posted by index
(Post 1734344)
RA "only got" $652,083 in salary during that same timeframe (2012). I don't know how he got by. Sounds kinda meager, huh. Until you consider his TOTAL COMPENSATION which included $2.7m in CASH (not salary, but money nonetheless), $7m in stock, plus another $2m in stock options. Total package almost $12.6m, up a staggering 42% from the year prior where he "only made" $8.9m.
Everybody knows nobody could EVER get a 42% RAISE, in one fell swoop!!:eek: Just ask anyone at Dalpa! :rolleyes: Richard's getting paid, no doubt, remind me again, how much was his pay cut in 2004 to Save Delta? And does he still have a retirement plan?? |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1734240)
His salary from ALPA was around $347K. The rest of the $1.3M was housing, transportation, and other expense reimbursements.
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1734240)
They were huge to be sure, but they did not take the form of money in his pocket at the end of the day.
Don't mean to return your stubbornness with more stubbornness Alan, but no accountant and no IRS person would agree with the case you're trying to make. Lee's compensation was just under 1.3 million dollars. Exactly as Index said. Carl |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1734246)
It's not a new tactic, my brother.
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1734246)
You continue to assert that those words were used, and have drug out several quotes that do not use those words.
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1734246)
Now that each of those have been debunked, you suddenly decide that it must have been in an article that was published 2.5 years ago, but that no one can find anymore. That's new.
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1734246)
Regarding waiting 2.5 years, I only joined this board late last year, and have only heard about this article today. Sorry if I missed it's posting previously.
Carl |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 1734253)
Carl, how do you explain the quarterly and annual reports showing pilot costs increasing at a higher rate the DALPA even predicted in the road shows.
If they supported your statements you would long ago posted them. Here we go again for at least the tenth time. The quarterly and annual reports do not show Pilot COSTS. They show WAGES AND SALARIES. Do you know the difference? If so, please explain the difference between pilot wages/salaries and pilot costs. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1734395)
Here we go again for at least the tenth time. The quarterly and annual reports do not show Pilot COSTS. They show WAGES AND SALARIES. Do you know the difference? If so, please explain the difference between pilot wages/salaries and pilot costs.
Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1734395)
Here we go again for at least the tenth time. The quarterly and annual reports do not show Pilot COSTS. They show WAGES AND SALARIES. Do you know the difference? If so, please explain the difference between pilot wages/salaries and pilot costs.
Carl Wages and salaries are up. Retirement expenses are up even more with the 1% increase and funding needs for the NWA plan. Productivity is about the same as verified by block hours per pilot and total system hours verses pilots hired. So where is this almost half a billion dollars per year they are saving with contract 2012? What is it and where can I find it in the reports? |
Originally Posted by finis72
(Post 1734192)
One of the things I liked about our contract was the flexibility it offered, if I wanted more pay I could use the system to fly more, or, I could use the system to fly as little as possible.
Originally Posted by finis72
(Post 1734192)
Another point is that the company has a limit to what they are going to pay in C2015, the pie is only so big before the Company says NO. That is an economic reality so the question is how to divide the pie.
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1734389)
You're the first to assert that "cost neutral" was never uttered.
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