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MOTOJOE 06-05-2015 11:31 AM

But it won't matter anyhow the TA will come out soon and all our conjectures will be wrong.

D Mantooth 06-05-2015 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1896510)
While philosophically possible, that's a pretty narrow band (and likely only for a transient time anyway) where giving up PS would make sense.

Once we trade it away, we will never get this level of it back. Ever.

Actually, if you formulate the trade as I suggested above, there will never be a scenario in which you come out behind.

NWA320pilot 06-05-2015 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1896367)
Agreed erdude

Please engage with your reps. Listen and ask questions.

If Carl is saying anything, you have to ask yourself: what is his motivation? And what is his other job(s)?

I have and the replies I received just made me have less confidence in DALPA. I hope my feelings are wrong but I strongly doubt it.

qball 06-05-2015 11:51 AM

I recall the tone of the C001 meeting just a few days ago (6/1). The chairman seemed very frustrated with some of the things going on with the NC. He noted they were finally getting down to "third rail" items the pilots had indicated were a no go. But at the same time he said the company shopping cart was very full while the pilot cart, not so much. Of course all of this is top secret, behind closed door kind of stuff that the great unwashed are not allowed see. I got the impression that C1 thought the NC was going off the res…but then maybe the other councils think the same of them. I was heartened that he seemed to be willing not to accept a bad deal. I hope he is not alone in that.

Now suddenly we have a TA. Did RA's team suddenly roll over (seriously doubt that)…did our team? I guess we will know in a few days.

4fans 06-05-2015 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Erdude32 (Post 1896350)
Looks like an August 15th Memrat vote

Wow. That's the day I start indoc.

Army80 06-05-2015 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1896493)
Not to mention the costs of the other concessions.

This would be an incredibly easy no vote if true.

Hopefully its not true.


FWIW<

The longer I look at the above, the more I think it's junk math.

Look at what the mud dog driver would make if the rumored numbers are true and look at what he would make if we don't have a deal by the end of 2016. (235K v. 216K) It's about 9% more.

Combining years and dividing the percentage by two is a strange way to view the amounts. The first 6 months of both examples is the same; but somehow that gets added to the whole for the percentage change. Not really an honest method....

Flamer 06-05-2015 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by boog123 (Post 1896424)
This was forwarded to me, doyd…

Generic Napkin Math, based on 2014 PS %, percentages if incorrect would still be comparable.

"Typical MD-88 Captain"

Rumored:

2015
75 hours @ $206 Jan thru July = $108,150
75 Hours @ $223 Aug - Dec = $83,430 (8% DOS)
Total Salary = $191,580
Est. Profit Sharing @ 16.5% = $31,610
Total Compensation = $223,190

2016
Salary @ 236 ( 6% -1/1/16) = $212,400
Est. Profit sharing = $23,347 (33% reduction or 5.75% decrease)
Total = $235,764

2 Year Total compensation with rumored raises= $458,954

Status Quo

2015
Salary @ $206 = $185,400
Est. Profit Sharing = $30,591
Total = $215,991
2016
Salary @ $212.18 = $190,962
Est. Profit Sharing = $31,508
Total = $222,470

2 Year Total compensation without TA = $438, 461

Rumored = 458, 954
Staus Quo = 438,661
Difference = $20,492 over 2 years or Approx 2.25% raise per year…….

Sweet. Back inflation out and you can have a zero percent raise in the best negotiating environment of the century.

james014 06-05-2015 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by 4fans (Post 1896552)
Wow. That's the day I start indoc.


Out of curiosity what day was your CJO?

dalad 06-05-2015 11:58 AM

Who's going to the Open Session MEC meeting on Tuesday and the vote on Wednesday?

FmrFreightDog 06-05-2015 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by NWA320pilot (Post 1896548)
I have and the replies I received just made me have less confidence in DALPA. I hope my feelings are wrong but I strongly doubt it.

You got replies? All I got was "Due to high workload, we will be very busy this week" auto responses from 2 of my 3.....


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