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By the time I see the TA language there will be a statistical impossibility of sending the negotiators back for improvements.
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
(Post 1896381)
In the interest of full disclosure, Mantooth was paid FPL (I.e., our dues money) to organize and attend the ALPA golf tournament. I say again. We paid him to golf. He also set up and designed Canoll's campaign website.
Lest we think he's a neutral observer...He obviously has a vested interest in keeping the gravy train rolling smoothly. But if I ever did learn to design one, I think my first one would be www.PDisamiserabletool.com! Good try though. If you're going to make accusations, make sure they're accurate. Otherwise people might start to question the rest of the "facts" you spew. |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1896382)
Sorry everyone, but if I don't answer, then Tsquare and Professor will think they've won a prize or something.
Outside of Delta I work and consult for multiple companies on issues of aviation safety, training, accident investigation, disaster recovery, communications and civil litigation. My current position is 744A out of DTW. I've been an ALPA member since 1979 and have served on multiple committees including merger, communications, etc. I ran for LEC office twice and lost twice. Carl |
Originally Posted by Raging white
(Post 1896322)
As long as we're giving advice, I wouldn't compare a fellow Delta pilot to a drunken wife beater.
Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1896333)
I did anything but. Read for comprehension.
I likened his behavior, not him, to that of a bully's. Bullies have origin stories. According to every marvel film at least. |
Originally Posted by notEnuf
(Post 1896387)
By the time I see the TA language there will be a statistical impossibility of sending the negotiators back for improvements.
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Originally Posted by Professor
(Post 1896367)
Agreed erdude
Please engage with your reps. Listen and ask questions. If Carl is saying anything, you have to ask yourself: what is his motivation? And what is his other job(s)? |
This whole mess of
-false sense of urgency(TVM!!!!!!!, at risk compensation!!!!) -grievance settlements for pennies on the dollar with possible further rumored jv scope concessions -contract givebacks in this time of record profits -rushing into contracts before the amendable dates (2012 and 2015) to help the company more than to help us - CDOs snuck in during 117 loas (only to be removed at a cost to us) -there's nothing left on the table , followed by multibillion dollar stockbuybacks, airline purchases, etc -pilot pushing with changes in the FOM wrt duty extensions with no peep from alpa -contract surveys hidden forever in the secret government vault along with the arc of the covenant from raiders of the arc. - council updates that sound like company releases I guess i just have to learn to say "yes" just like Capt "historic contract " donatelli said.. disgusted shiz |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1896391)
Uh, yeah, you did. Of course you won't admit it: Hypocrites usually don't admit to being hypocrites.
Dude. I apologized and stated name calling is still immature about 5 posts ago. This is ridiculous. Read the TA if and when it comes out. Ask questions. Decide. Vote. Most importantly aka your reps of they think any more value will be extracted by sending this back to section 6. Please please please, everyone, ignore anyone trying to sell you anything. Sell you DALPA= BAD or sell you TA NOW= ONLY WAY or any other sales job. Get the facts. Decide. And vote. |
The fix is: give it to me now so I can evaluate it along side my reps and provide feedback. The survey is a year old. I want to ensure my direction is followed.
Can you help arrange that? |
Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
(Post 1896407)
I have asked that question, and since he's not in a position to personally gain anything more than any (regular dues paying ALPA members) of us here it seems a simple answer: His motivation is to do what he can to keep the union as honest as possible. Now when I ask myself what's the motivation of those who want to squelch his input and minimize it I also ask, what's their motivation? It would seem they like the idea of opaqueness and keeping secrets from those of us who are not on the inside. Why is that? Personal connections; ambition for higher positions? Who knows, but I don't think they're as impartial as those who dare ask the questions that seem to get non-answers or deflections like "you don't understand the system" or "why don't you volunteer?" And before you ask, the answer is a dues paying member should be allowed to ask the questions he/she wants of the organization they're paying.
Good post. Good questions. I can only point to process when it comes to questions of opacity. This is the process per out by laws at DALPA. To violate them would open the union up to all sorts of potential litigation. If the process is not followed anyone can claim malfeasance and go after the Union. So I guess my point is that if there is opacity, and you don't like it, you need to press your reps to get that changed in the by laws. Nobody would ever argue with the fact (or they shouldn't) that union leadership is beholden to the membership. In every way. I would only offer this, Carl unlike many others has a potential conflict of interest with regards to DALPAs very existence. That is a different animal than keeping leadership responsible and looking out for OUR best interests. Anyway. Good questions I think and worth addressing by all of us. |
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