And I wish you were, DAL88.

Seriously? :confused: I thought the conventional wisdom among DALPA aficionados was that my way of thinking would get us "parked" (love that term... no pilot likes to get "parked" :eek:). You know... time value of money and all that. :rolleyes:

this ought to be good for another non-productive page.

How about we talk about our laundry list of desired improvements.

How about we talk about a laundry list of things we can do to make those desires a reality.

here's a few to get us started

1) develop and publish measurable C15 goals
2) get DALPA out of bed with management
3) muzzle Moak

There. Fixed it for ya.

Not really. When we talk about restorative type "laundry lists" we get the kind of response from DALPA aficionados that I suggested to Alan. If he would seriously want someone with my point of view on the negotiating committee, I honestly would like to know how he reconciles that. Hard questions don't always have to turn into a food fight.

Seriously. As I see it, one of four things would happen:

1) Your point of view would prevail and we'd succeed beyond our wildest dreams
2) Your point of view would prevail and we'd get parked
3) Your point of view would not prevail, we'd be worse off as a result, and you'd be correctly frustrated at how weak the prevailing majority is
4) Your point of view would be altered by the things you learn from being on the committee and we'd be better off as a result

In any case, I believe that you would have a more informed perspective to share on these boards.

Because of what happened to American, that is always the DALPA answer.

The issue that nobody at DALPA wants to talk about is, So WHAT?

If I were Lee Moak, or Mike D, I would say to the NMB, "You park us, we park the airplanes, period." No bucks, no Buck Rogers.

Is that an illegal job action? Yup. Is Lee or MD going to go to jail, to get your pay and pension restored? Nope. That's why they won't even say the word.

But absent that threat, we have no real leverage, other than begging for 3% raises, after taking 42% pay cuts.

What was it Richard said, "Labor risk has been taken off the table..."

Without Labor Risk, we have no leverage.

So bend over and take C2015 in the pooper, again. You will NEVER see 'restoration' absent the threat of a job action. Richard is not going to throw that much money at us just because he likes us. If however, his billions of Delta Shares were to drop in value, due to pilot unrest....well...now we may be getting somewhere! But we don't have the leadership to pull it off. And to be honest, we don't have the membership to pull it off either. What did you think that rocking chair was for?

This is an excellent post. Spot on.

What is coming our way?

Reduced profit sharing to fund pay increases. Worst mistakewe could ever makes opening this Pandora's box. If it was a good deal, why would management want it?

Rolling AF/KLM scope violation into C2015. Management will work this settlement down to nothing by forcing it into the new PWA.

Longer freezes. Management is in a full fledged panic over the training waterfall. As always, they expect us to fix their problems.

Jerry