The Moak disciples are being very,very quiet. Probably on overtime FPL coordinating a response.

There needs to be more than a response, there needs to be an explanation. I am neither an Alpa lover or hater--so as a fairly neutral line pilot I will just simply say this interview is disturbing.

My hope is that the many lurkers here will remember how the Moak disciples trashed me and others as liars etc. when we tried to warn this pilot group about what Mr. Moak was planning for us. It's now clear to everyone who Moak is.

The next time people like slowplay, alfaromeo, shiznit, sailingfun, etc. trash people who dare speak against ALPA "leadership", remember who was really being truthful and who was really being deceptive.

Carl

Someone please tell me that was an Onion article

[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1705673]The WS mafia, as some call it, is a senior group that bids good trips that are then placed on the swap board for straight pick up (or just PDd) and then their schedule is clear. Supposedly down to 0. Then they go back in and pick up good WS trips with low block and full credit. They want trips with the most CR and min TAFB and put themselves on short short call to get them. I've had 88As explain it to me, 88Bs are kind of coy about it when asked. :D

They WS until it becomes apparent that they should've GS'd but then they WS anyways. There is a lot of this.

A good day or two day trip comes up in open time you'll see it go very senior and very quickly. Ive talked to Captains who do it, their joke is if they get injured their spouse has been instructed to go back and pick up as much as possible before telling the company.

So yes, WSs are senior, in seniority order if they meet credit requirements. And guys will do it day after day back to back because their schedules are wide open. I think they, in times of no GS, can still score 100+ hours with little block. Are they playing with fire? Sure, at the end of the month they'll pick up less than ideal WS trips if short.

You do see that a lot but if you want to try it you better be senior.

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FTB,

I am not sure that I understand this. If these guys are senior why wouldn't they bid these trips initially? Why drop "good trips" to roll the dice with open time?

Are you saying that they drop/give away their trips down to a zero line so they can try to sharpshoot made-up trips with lots of credit and DH's that were not offered in the Bid package? :confused:

If this is what is going on wouldn't this help the Pilot group as a whole? It pumps thier original lines back into open time and they are trying to minimize the hard time that they fly - requiring more Pilots overall?

Scoop

Shiznit, does Lee Moak still speak for you?

Well, you couldn't pay me to take on that risk but people live by it because there's money in it. Its obviously a NB game though and played more when GSs were a rarity. When I sat RES on the 88 you knew if you didn't get a 4-day or 3-day then you weren't going to work because the 2-day and day trips were picked up by the WS folks.

To the larger issue, what I am getting at is GS vs 1.5 pay, we shouldn't totally ignore the debate because GSs spread the wealth, they don't necessarily do that. But at the same time, I am hesitant to encourage WS pick ups because of 1.5x pay. I think I'd like to see a multiplier above ALV or something BUT also a cap.

Exactly, Carl. Not a peep from the usual suspects in defense of the indefensible. I'm sure they'll be back after they get their talking point/damage control strategy firmed up. :rolleyes:

My god I thought this guy worked for us. Holy crap. Talk about undermining an effort.

I agree. This is Moak's modus operandi. People just have not been paying much attention obviously. I don't think he is vying for a position. It is who he is and what he believes. This is the same guy who said we were back at pre-bankruptcy wages years ago.