Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1705387)

At this point Moak is an anchor weighing down the piloting profession. Him and his disciples are preventing pilots from getting back to where they should be after the damage done leading up to and during bankruptcy. His mind is that of a Delta Air Lines manager, not a leader of pilot labor. This skews his desire and willingness to fight for things outside of what management jointly wants.

While I applaud his leadership in fending off players like Norwegian (every article from him in ALPA magazine), the scope of union boss should also encompass compensation (not as a low reset), unfavorable JV's and RJ outsourcing, items Moak omits with regularity.

"Moak contends that ALPA pilots at the larger carriers enjoy what he calls “mature, good contracts” already. Radical overhauls aren’t in the cards, he says."

"Airlines have been mum on what they’ll seek in the contract talks, despite some analyst queries on quarterly earnings calls. “We have a productive and proactive relationship with our pilots and ALPA, focused on winning in the marketplace and addressing our business challenges and opportunities together,” Delta spokeswoman Kate Modolo said in an e-mail."

Airline Profits Will Drive 2015 Pilot Contract Talks - Businessweek

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1705519)

Well OK then......

I can hardly wait to see how we do under some hard line kick ass and take names kind of guy. I'm all good with it either way.

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1705524)

No you're not. Or you wouldn't spend all this time trying to make it seem like it has to be one extreme or the other.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1705533)

Sure I am. I think it will be stoopid to go all in your face with the company, but I can live with it. My retirement is almost completely funded. I just hope you will be able to justify it to all those that will be the big losers... and you better believe that I will come back here and show you just how much we lost in TVM. No threat. A promise. I might even do it on a monthly basis just so you know.

Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1705565)

Answer me whether Moak had a mandate to do the Bloomberg interview or not.

He did not. Therefore, his interview did us, his constituents, more damage than if he had not done the interview.

Does ALPA even teach people how to deal with the press? Or was Moak's personal agenda something different?

And you accuse Jerry of throwing grenades into crowded rooms.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1705533)

Sure I am. I think it will be stoopid to go all in your face with the company, but I can live with it.

Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1705387)

At this point Moak is an anchor weighing down the piloting profession. Him and his disciples are preventing pilots from getting back to where they should be after the damage done leading up to and during bankruptcy. His mind is that of a Delta Air Lines manager, not a leader of pilot labor. This skews his desire and willingness to fight for things outside of what management jointly wants.

While I applaud his leadership in fending off players like Norwegian (every article from him in ALPA magazine), the scope of union boss should also encompass compensation (not as a low reset), unfavorable JV's and RJ outsourcing, items Moak omits with regularity.

"Moak contends that ALPA pilots at the larger carriers enjoy what he calls “mature, good contracts” already. Radical overhauls aren’t in the cards, he says."

"Airlines have been mum on what they’ll seek in the contract talks, despite some analyst queries on quarterly earnings calls. “We have a productive and proactive relationship with our pilots and ALPA, focused on winning in the marketplace and addressing our business challenges and opportunities together,” Delta spokeswoman Kate Modolo said in an e-mail."

Airline Profits Will Drive 2015 Pilot Contract Talks - Businessweek

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1705573)

What Bloomberg interview?

Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver (Post 1705484)

Pilot Contract Talks in 2015 to Come Amid Robust Airline Profits

By Justin Bachman August 13, 2014
With U.S. airlines awash in cash these days, one of the big questions in the industry has become how much of that wealth will pilots seek next year when contracts at several carriers come up for renegotiation.



Contracts at four large airlines—Delta Air Lines (DAL), Hawaiian (HA), Spirit (SAVE), and Jazz Aviation, a regional operator for Air Canada—are up for talks in 2015, covering nearly 15,000 pilots represented by the Air Line Pilots Association, the largest pilots union in North America. JetBlue Airways’ (JBLU) 2,500 pilots are also hoping to secure their first contract next year, after voting this spring to join ALPA.


U.S. carriers are producing enormous profits after years of consolidation. In the most recent quarter, the six largest U.S. carriers collectively earned $3.97 billion, with American, Southwest, Alaska Airlines (ALK), and JetBlue all reporting record net income for the period. U.S. carriers lost almost $60 billion from 2000 to 2009.


“This is really a good story,” ALPA President Lee Moak said Tuesday during a visit to Bloomberg Businessweek in New York, part of a quick tour to assure Wall Street analysts that ALPA’s contract demands won’t prove onerous to airlines. “I almost can’t stand it, it’s so good.”


Shareholders have started to realize returns in the form of dividends and stock buybacks. Thanks to the profits, pilots now see themselves as collaborators with management—they increasingly lobby alongside airline executives in Washington. That, says Moak, deepens the working relationships. “All of a sudden, you find yourself on the same side of 95 percent of the issues,” he says.


Another boost has come from profit-sharing schemes adopted by the airlines as a way of rewarding employees when times are good—and the deals carry no commitments should profit shrink. In February, Delta paid employees, including its 11,900 pilots, a record $506 million in profit sharing, equal to about 8 percent of annual salaries. The airline forecasts that amount to increase next year, given higher profit this year.


Southwest expects to pay out $228 million to workers this year in profit shares, nearly double the amount from 2013. United paid $190 million in February tied to its income last year. (Delta and United make the payments on Valentine’s Day.) Several airlines also pay workers monthly incentives for meeting performance targets, such as more on-time arrivals and improvements on the rate of mishandled bags. United paid employees an extra $125 for meeting on-time arrival and departure goals in July. Delta says it paid nearly $92 million last year in similar incentives. “The employees are now coupled to the airlines,” says Moak, a Delta captain who is stepping down at year’s end after four years as president.
Of course, all the cash an airline generates can go to shareholders or employees, and that basic dynamic is likely to play out in the 2015 contract negotiations—especially at Delta and Spirit, both industry leaders when it comes to superior financial returns. Moak contends that ALPA pilots at the larger carriers enjoy what he calls “mature, good contracts” already. Radical overhauls aren’t in the cards, he says.


Most of the contract talks are likely to center on basic compensation—hourly pay rates and how much carriers pay into pilots’ retirement plans. “There will be a business discussion of pay as it relates to revenue,” Moak says. “You can argue about $2 or $2.05, and that matters to the crew member,” but “you’re working on the margins” on the new contracts, he says.


Airlines have been mum on what they’ll seek in the contract talks, despite some analyst queries on quarterly earnings calls. “We have a productive and proactive relationship with our pilots and ALPA, focused on winning in the marketplace and addressing our business challenges and opportunities together,” Delta spokeswoman Kate Modolo said in an e-mail. A Spirit spokesman, Paul Berry, declined to comment, as did a spokeswoman for Hawaiian, Alison Croyle.


The real test of all this bonhomie will come when the talks turn to money—and who will get it.
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"The real test of all this bonhomie will come when the talks turn to money—and who will get it." Hint: It won't be us. Not with this mentality! Moak has done and continues to do a tremendous amount of damage to our profession. Like somebody else said, unfreakingbelievable. :mad:

Originally Posted by Hillbilly (Post 1705605)

The BOD is coming up to elect a National President for the next term and Moak has stated in Air Line Pilot magazine that: "As I'm sure you've heard, I've made the decision to end my presidential term at the close of this cycle."