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Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1710927)
Because of what happened to American, that is always the DALPA answer.
The issue that nobody at DALPA wants to talk about is, So WHAT? If I were Lee Moak, or Mike D, I would say to the NMB, "You park us, we park the airplanes, period." No bucks, no Buck Rogers. |
Originally Posted by Timbo
(Post 1710927)
Because of what happened to American, that is always the DALPA answer.
The issue that nobody at DALPA wants to talk about is, So WHAT? If I were Lee Moak, or Mike D, I would say to the NMB, "You park us, we park the airplanes, period." No bucks, no Buck Rogers. Is that an illegal job action? Yup. Is Lee or MD going to go to jail, to get your pay and pension restored? Nope. That's why they won't even say the word. But absent that threat, we have no real leverage, other than begging for 3% raises, after taking 42% pay cuts. What was it Richard said, "Labor risk has been taken off the table..." Without Labor Risk, we have no leverage. So bend over and take C2015 in the pooper, again. You will NEVER see 'restoration' absent the threat of a job action. Richard is not going to throw that much money at us just because he likes us. If however, his billions of Delta Shares were to drop in value, due to pilot unrest....well...now we may be getting somewhere! But we don't have the leadership to pull it off. And to be honest, we don't have the membership to pull it off either. What did you think that rocking chair was for? Why can't an ALPA president or master chairman see that the possibility of jail time is part of the risk of the job? Membership wise, I also agree. However, I have no hard evidence, just a gut feeling. We can all "get behind" DALPA for a "historic" c15, but when the rubber hits the road, what will the membership do? I have my own opinion, and it doesn't play out well. |
Originally Posted by 76drvr
(Post 1710851)
How about we talk about a laundry list of things we can do to make those desires a reality.
But I do agree that would be productive. |
Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1710959)
That's pretty much how I see it too.
Why can't an ALPA president or master chairman see that the possibility of jail time is part of the risk of the job? |
Originally Posted by Alan Shore
(Post 1710921)
Seriously. As I see it, one of four things would happen:
1) Your point of view would prevail and we'd succeed beyond our wildest dreams 2) Your point of view would prevail and we'd get parked 3) Your point of view would not prevail, we'd be worse off as a result, and you'd be correctly frustrated at how weak the prevailing majority is 4) Your point of view would be altered by the things you learn from being on the committee and we'd be better off as a result In any case, I believe that you would have a more informed perspective to share on these boards. Let's see... #'s 1 & 2 are pretty straight forward. I get what you're saying there. #3 - My point of view would not prevail on the negotiating committee or with the pilot group as a whole, and we as a pilot group would be worse off. How? Are you saying you agree with my point of view and we'd be worse off if it didn't prevail? Or are you saying we'd be worse off because it was a waste to have someone with my point of view on the negotiating committee? #4 - My point of view would be altered by "reality," we'd be better off, and I would have a more informed perspective to share on these boards. That sounds to me like you're saying you think we'd be better off if I changed my point of view. How do you reconcile #'s 3 & 4?? :confused: |
Originally Posted by 76drvr
(Post 1710963)
Are you willing to sign up for that, or just ask others to do what your not willing to do? If you are up for it, run for the job in the fall and lead us all to restoration with your plan.
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1710965)
I'd sign up for it with certain caveats/requirements, no problem.
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Originally Posted by 76drvr
(Post 1710979)
So you'll be running for Master Chairman this fall? What are your caveats/requirements?
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Originally Posted by scambo1
(Post 1710987)
I'm not an insider, but my caveat is $5m after taxes payable to my wife for any jail time I do. If the MEC needs my help, they know where to find me.
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While some would contend we have little leverage, I disagree. We have all the leverage we need.
Aside from the billions in profits, management is in a full fledged panic over the training waterfall. After years of no growth and no retirements due to age 65, the nightmare of having 9 fleets and 8 pilot bases with our PWA is coming home to roost. All we have to do is sit back and watch the training ball get bigger and bigger and bigger. To succeed we need to: 1) Keep profit sharing off the table at all costs. 2) Keep the AF/KLM grievance separate from C2015. Period. 3) Attain a reasonable C2015 that recognizes our contributions and sacrifices. Iron clad scope with immediate penalties. 2004 hourly rates date of signing plus some accounting for inflation. 5% for years 2 and 3. 17% DC 42 days of vacation 5:15 per day vacation and training $1 hour more on each per diem plus .10 per year $4000 per year for medical HSA with roll over for unused portion If we reduce profit sharing and fold AF/KLM grievance into C2015, WE LOSE. |
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