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Originally Posted by Cogf16 (Post 1895979)

Agreed!!! I use to be an avid participant on the DALPA boards but grew very weary of the same knuckleheads(on both sides) hijacking the threads with the same tired old crap. So I left. Went to chit chat forum for literally 10 minutes and quit that. I get my fix on here, especially during contract times. My life is fuller with all the spare time!

As a conservative ,personally , I watch/listen/read fox/npr/nyt etc to get both sides of the story. I am finding too much spin from dalpa to be able to draw a "fair and balanced" conclusion from their communications.

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Originally Posted by SharpestTool (Post 1895993)

LOL!

Poo Monkeys unite! I've never seen such a group of hysterical chumps. Sorry ladies, you all on the wrong side of history.

You ruin your posts for everyone.

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Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 1895965)

No they won't! Not as long as they are run by that idiot. It seems like all the folks supportive of them have the same level of intelligence....

Great to hear from one of the original alpa-holics on this because it highlights what happens in gutter politics. This is straight from the Saul Alinsky book. You never debate the merit of the opposing party, you only personalize that party and vilify it. We saw democrats hang GW Bush around every republican because they were republicans. And it worked to elect Obama. We saw republicans hang Obama, Reid and Pelosi around every democrat because they were democrats. And it worked to wipe out democrats in the Congress.

Forget about the fact that the democrat party is so much more than Obama, Reid and Pelosi. Forget about the fact that the Republican Party is so much more than GW Bush. Personalize the entire organization as one person, and it'll likely work. That's why DALPA's Special Committee went with the tried and true method of identifying DPA as Caplinger. It's nothing personal, just gutter politics from a bankrupt ideology.

Carl

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Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 1895995)

How's your moms basement?

Your moms on guard.

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Originally Posted by Check Essential (Post 1895866)

Here's a random thought:

The MEC is obviously divided on the merits of this agreement.
I hate to see our union go through this divisive exercise. We need unity.
There might be a way to get a 19-0 vote.

ALPA is always accused of mounting a "sales job".
Whether you agree or not, a lot of pilots perceive that as somehow unfair.
That sales ritual is the source of nearly all the acrimony and divisiveness.

One option would be to simply empower the rank and file:

Send it out without the MEC formally recommending a yes or no vote.
Let the line pilots read it and decide for themselves.

Individual ALPA officials can opine to their hearts content.
Just refrain from activating the "machine" this time.

Small "d" democracy. Writ large.

This is a historic opportunity in so many ways.

Management needs 19-0 because the challenges that come with adding 2 or 3 more fleets while retiring hundreds of captains each year for the next decade are unparalleled.

The Delta pilots deserve the promised historic PWA after our billions in concessions.

ALPA needs 19-0 because our pilots are detached and see ALPA as a failure.

For me 19-0 is an automatic yes vote. I wear my ALPA pin and contribute to the PAC.

Another mins run C2012 is a game changing mistake.

Now is not the time to be cheap. I have no doubt the machine can push this through.

If they do, the will win the battle and lose the war.

The ramifications will be severe.

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Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 1895965)

No they won't! Not as long as they are run by that idiot. It seems like all the folks supportive of them have the same level of intelligence....

Have you ever communicated with TC? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by pilotjockey (Post 1895925)

what i heard while checking in this afternoon

7/3/3/3
2 more dc but taken from profit sharing
loss of 40 hours of sick
verification at 80 per year
no more oe bumps
no change to vacation or cq pay
no per diem increase

aint no way this piece of crap can possibly be our next cba. definitely no

Maybe you just heard wrong. I'd be okay with that, corrected to 17/13/3/3.

No OE bumps seems like quite an abrogation of seniority... I hope that one isn't true. We'll find out next week!

I'd rather be on the right side of history than the winning or losing side any day. :)

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1895784)

Wait. Why does the TA go to the MEC, I thought it goes straight to us from the NC?

:D

I thought it first goes to the Memory Rat. He has seen it all before. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1895984)

Purple. Seriously. Please. Get laid. Please.

Don't worry Professor, I think we are all about to get screwed.