Cog, I hope you're right. Or the DPA will see an avalanche of cards on June 11.

Either way, it's the very definition of "contempt prior to investigation". Congratulations.

I think even some of the most ardent ALPA supporters are thinking it may be time to give DPA a chance if these numbers/concessions are true. Can't get much worse. I think people are fed up with the lack of transparency and ALPA dancing at managements whim.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Translated:

Don't bother signing up for an account over there of you haven't done so already. Much better debate here and there are only 3 unhinged wackos over here to deal with, right rube. You learn all this in the 3 weeks you've had an account here? Oh, scary stuff too. There are "worrisome anonymous accounts over there."

Really? So, rube, is that your real name? Should we call you Mr. Rube? Or perhaps is it Capt. Rube? You have a first name to go with that Rube? :D

7/3/3/3 isn't even as good as our last contract. That's pathetic when the company is making billions.

No they won't! Not as long as they are run by that idiot. It seems like all the folks supportive of them have the same level of intelligence....

[QUOTE=Check Essential;1895866]Here's a random thought:

The MEC is obviously divided on the merits of this agreement.
I hate to see our union go through this divisive exercise. We need unity.
There might be a way to get a 19-0 vote.

ALPA is always accused of mounting a "sales job".
Whether you agree or not, a lot of pilots perceive that as somehow unfair.
That sales ritual is the source of nearly all the acrimony and divisiveness.

One option would be to simply empower the rank and file:

Send it out without the MEC formally recommending a yes or no vote.
Let the line pilots read it and decide for themselves.

Individual ALPA officials can opine to their hearts content.
Just refrain from activating the "machine" this time.

Small "d" democracy. Writ large.[/QUOTE


Or the MEC can man up and do their job.

They can deliver the historic C2015 they promised in True Headings 14-2.

I missed the part where MD said today is a grand day, a historic day. Your MEC delivered on its promise and seized this once in a lifetime opportunity.

Listen the name calling is on both sides. I don't know how long you've been on chitchat but I've been on it since the beginning following the alpa "book burning". There are a lot of passionate folks on chitchat (and here as well). I read a thread today that had a passionate alpa supporter call someone a richard cranium. So it goes both ways. What I see is a group attacking and the other countering. I want alpa to make a historic agreement(as PROMISED in black and white). One that acknowledges the FACT that our SACRIFICES put the big D where it is today. Granted we have nothing but rumors but if history repeats itself, I, for one, will be eternally disappointed. BTW, I mentioned the rumored rates to my wife and I got a ****. We talk unity, I see posts signed fraternally but I'm not witnessing anything that would support that direction. When the pencil hits the ballot, its all about me is what I see. Talk is cheap.

Hockey,
Several months ago, You were jumped on and vilified for saying you weren't going to waste your time for filling out a contract survey and that you were probably a no vote because the TA would suck, etc.

I'm on the record as having a TA with Hockey. If it sucks and if it's concessionary. Hockey was right all along.

People care less and less who is the interim president at DPA (there would be a popular vote to decide a new president). They want to remove the organization that stands in the way of restoring this profession. A union for Delta pilots that represents Delta pilots sounds pretty good about now. No more secret handshakes.