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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1895507)

Look when I joined. I've been around awhile cowboy.

That's what sleeper cells do.

Carl

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Originally Posted by TheManager (Post 1895505)

Apparently it is done. Debate begins, then vote in 7 days is the report.

Let the message shaping, and sales campaign begin.

The managing of expectations is over as that was what led up to now.

"Sign this deal now or we will go the traditional route" will be the quote from RA repeated ad nauseam during the upcoming campaign.

may I ask your source?

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Originally Posted by duece12345 (Post 1895515)

may I ask your source?

It's true. Who could have seen that coming? :rolleyes:

Well if true, let's hope it is good because it is set in stone now. Whatever they send us will be voted in favor of like always. So let's hope it is historic.

Carl. We know why you are angry. It's ok. It gets better.

In other news...when the TA details are released let us argue based on facts. Not rhetoric. But until there are facts.....I leave you to play in your sand.

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Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1895520)

Well if true, let's hope it is good because it is set in stone now. Whatever they send us will be voted in favor of like always. So let's hope it is historic.

Not so sure about that actually.

With all the money they have shoveled to shareholders I don't think this will be as easy as they think to get 51%. We basically know it will be 9/5/5/5 or worse on pay rates, givebacks in sick leave, GS, and recovery flying, and "monetization" of profit sharing. Hopefully those rumors are wrong, but if they aren't......easy big NO in my book.

I'll take the "traditional route" and a big profit sharing check for the year.

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Originally Posted by 3 green (Post 1895520)

Well if true, let's hope it is good because it is set in stone now. Whatever they send us will be voted in favor of like always. So let's hope it is historic.

Don't think that's a given this time.

Why you might ask? Look how big the profit sharing checks have become since 2011.

That is the biggest hurdle for the upcoming sales campaign.

Delta is wildly profitable now and forecasted to increase that position as debt retires at a record clip. That along with the $6 billion dollar dividend and share buy back program and it become hard to sell a concessionary TA.

Did the company over reach without supplying a double digit increase?

That is going to be the big question. Folks are going to weigh the concessions against pay increases, particularly if PS is touched.
This is not going to be a 65-35 rubber stamp snap-a
-salute vote.

Me personally, it's a NO vote until i can be convinced of YES. For C12k I was a YES unless I could be convinced NO.

Anyone notice how abbruptly q+a ended at the industrials conference?

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Originally Posted by Professor (Post 1895524)

Oh you want this to pass so bad, don't you?

You're last contract likely, right :rolleyes:

Have you met Bender-oopps-I-mean-TSquare yet? You two would get along great.

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Originally Posted by notEnuf (Post 1895535)

Anyone notice how abbruptly q+a ended at industrials conference?

I don't think that was unusual given the audience.
As you mentioned, this was an industrials conference. Not airline analysts.