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gzsg 05-21-2015 05:59 PM

At least the MEC is honoring our survey.

Unless they know more stuff Richard told them and they know better than we do.

Big E 757 05-21-2015 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by redship (Post 1885300)
I'm guessing this has already been discussed but I'm hearing more 76 seat RJs will probably be a part of this TA. I don't really care what the claimed exchange is (mainline flying 105 E190/195s), I am sick of feeding the regionals more relevant RJs. If the 76 seat market is so important then let's force Delta to fly them with Delta pilots.

I agree, but that ship sailed with the merger. If we were smart, we (DALPA) would have rolled Compass up in our merger and we would have had 76 seat jets in our fleet. But, that didn't happen, obviously. I'm still scratching my head. Maybe it wasn't ever possible but I think we probably had the leverage. Upper level execs had enough on the line to twist their arm in my opinion.

EdGrimley 05-21-2015 06:09 PM


Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1885905)
Well, I guess I'll just assume they have bad memories!

Believing them is of course your right, and you don't know me from an anonymous webboard.

I'll stick with my first-hand recollection.

I'd only ask you to consider that while some reps felt the process wasn't followed, most know that it was. I'd also ask that you consider that the discrepancy might have come from a misunderstanding on one side or the other, rather than something nefarious.

If you are going to pop on this web board out of nowhere stating that "you were there" then you should have no problem telling us who you are and in what official capacity you were acting to be "there".

It's total chickenshiz for characters like you to show up here dropping bits of unverifiable information, telling us you know because you act in some official capacity. It's the same BS as telling us the survey results indicate (fill in the blank) when you wont release the damm survey for all to see.

DALPA has serious credibility issues with this pilot group. Hacks like you only make it worse. Start acting like a union we can get behind and then and only then will you earn the respect of the line pilots you represent.

A wise man once said "Leadership is not a title, it's an action". Drop the BS and start leading.

Purple Drank 05-21-2015 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1885725)
As far as contract 2012 I can't say I was a strong advocate for it

To quote Johnny Mac: You cannot be serious. http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/461...-serious-o.gif

You were a Top 5 cheerleader for C12, parroting the company's talking points and spewing FUD as far and wide as you could.

Seriously, if your quote is the way you remember it, get checked for dementia or another psychosis. Don't do it for yourself; do it for your family.

D Mantooth 05-21-2015 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1885927)
If you are going to pop on this web board out of nowhere stating that "you were there" then you should have no problem telling us who you are and in what official capacity you were acting to be "there".

It's total chickenshiz for characters like you to show up here dropping bits of unverifiable information, telling us you know because you act in some official capacity. It's the same BS as telling us the survey results indicate (fill in the blank) when you wont release the damm survey for all to see.

DALPA has serious credibility issues with this pilot group. Hacks like you only make it worse. Start acting like a union we can get behind and then and only then will you earn the respect of the line pilots you represent.

A wise man once said "Leadership is not a title, it's an action". Drop the BS and start leading.


But it's fine for others to make unfounded allegations? I see.

I thought this was an anonymous board? I've written hundreds of communication pieces and had no problem signing my name to them all. I say nothing different here than I said publicly.

If you want to change the rules of this board so we all just sign our names, I'm fine with that. It just seemed to me that many posters preferred anonymity.

hockeypilot44 05-21-2015 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by gzsg (Post 1885917)
At least the MEC is honoring our survey.

Unless they know more stuff Richard told them and they know better than we do.

I'm pretty sure going from the best sick leave in the business to the worst and going from industry leading profit sharing to less than United profit sharing wasn't in the survey. Also pretty sure leading the industry AGAIN in allowing more large rj's to keep the connection planes flying was not in the survey. This contract is going to be below industry standard in every area except pay rates.

EdGrimley 05-21-2015 06:29 PM


Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1885933)
But it's fine for others to make unfounded allegations? I see.

I thought this was an anonymous board? I've written hundreds of communication pieces and had no problem signing my name to them all. I say nothing different here than I said publicly.

If you want to change the rules of this board so we all just sign our names, I'm fine with that. It just seemed to me that many posters preferred anonymity.

There's a difference. You are telling us you have a vantage point superior to others here. If you are going to make that claim then be willing to sign your name here as well. Otherwise drop the "I was there" nonsense.

Carl Spackler 05-21-2015 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by D Mantooth (Post 1885933)
But it's fine for others to make unfounded allegations? I see.

I thought this was an anonymous board? I've written hundreds of communication pieces and had no problem signing my name to them all. I say nothing different here than I said publicly.

If you want to change the rules of this board so we all just sign our names, I'm fine with that. It just seemed to me that many posters preferred anonymity.

You can stay anonymous. Don't tell us your name, just your position at the time of C2012. Rep, MEC admin, ALPA national lawyer, Etc. That'll do.

Carl

gzsg 05-21-2015 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by hockeypilot44 (Post 1885940)
I'm pretty sure going from the best sick leave in the business to the worst and going from industry leading profit sharing to less than United profit sharing wasn't in the survey. Also pretty sure leading the industry AGAIN in allowing more large rj's to keep the connection planes flying was not in the survey. This contract is going to be below industry standard in every area except pay rates.

All TIC

This is a full on repeat of C2012. Why do we bother.

We have taken $15 billion in concessions and now we are going to gut our PWA during record profits. You can't fix stupid.

shiznit 05-21-2015 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by EdGrimley (Post 1885945)
There's a difference. You are telling us you have a vantage point superior to others here. If you are going to make that claim then be willing to sign your name here as well. Otherwise drop the "I was there" nonsense.

A 14-5 vote is pretty indicative that the process was followed (16-5 had the Company not closed MEM the month prior). If the reps believed there was behavior that undermined their authority we would have had a 0-19 (0-21) result.


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