Really, and the great white whale known as C2K passed the MEC 18-4 and only passed the pilots by 70% (less than 8% difference in C12) yet it's now a benchmark?

Delta pilots voting in favor of C2012 voted for it at a higher percentage than voted for the JCBA.

NWA pilots voted for the JCBA at over 86%. 16% more than the Delta C2K vote!

What do any of those percentages mean without context?

About that JCBA...delaying making a deal on that TA on the NWA side cost all of us 2% pay and DC parity. You want to TVM that loss since the merger? That's with our current management team BTW.

29 months is the average contract negotiation time. Even our own sordid history shows that delaying costs us and retro isn't 100%.

You're not alone, however my interaction with MEC types give me more confidence this time around.

Jerry and his homies are the worst rumor spreaders out there... and mostly it's just sensationalism to get a rise. I HATE it when someone does that.

I hope I'm not proven wrong. I'll try to vote yes just like I tried to vote yes on C2012, and will vote no as need be just like I voted no on 2012. If it's lackluster, I'll absolutely join you.

Costing of the package and pay rates have yet to be exchanged, so anything spread as concrete is actually a good ways away from being anything on solid ground. I refuse to raise the pitchforks and torches until something solid comes about.

It's a strange day when I end up agreeing with sailing.

I believe the next meeting is in another week or so.

Ditto. But I really don't like the rumors that I am hearing, very reminiscent of C2012. Lets hope the majority of the rumors are BS, but I have a bad feeling about some of them.

We do have one big advantage this time - PS is steadily rising and a deal with any concessions, even a few, will have a very hard time passing memory rat.

I say this as someone who voted yes on C2012, but my minimum level of an acceptable contract has increased proportionally to the DAL profits.

Let the NC do their best - if its not good enough we will give then another chance.

Scoop

You are not the only one. Rumors here have been right more than wrong. I'm going to wait and see....but the only solution to these rumors fruition would be a MEMRAT no vote followed by a 6000 card DPA surge the next day. The NC crying post from PD made me sick to my stomach to be a part of this "union".

Agreed! I'd be a bit more concerned on the "x" bad rumors, as they are mostly sole sourced to Jerry, who just makes crap up for the most part to be a sensationalist.

There are a couple individuals (no acl) that I highly respect that have MEC input whom I've had very frank conversations with... that gives me some optimism this time around.

Again, the big red flag is Harwood.

Easy enough to find out. No need to guess. It's no secret who the MEM reps were at the time. Give them a call and tell us all what their position was. My money is that the final laugh will be on you.

You know, if I was a negotiator and showed up at a MEC meeting to sell more concessions, in this time of unprecedented profits, already paid for by our concessions for the past 11 years, I'd cry too...

Reading this thread is making me cry

We've already got confirmation that a concession not in the survey (LCAs' trips removed from FO PBS bidding) has been granted.

Also confirmed: concessionary changes to sick leave. I think it's safe to say that concession directly opposes the survey results.

Those are not rumors. Those are confirmed as approved by the MEC. As additional confirmation, note that none of the usual Dalpa suspects are denying it.

Guys, we're in trouble. It's time to mash the panic button and spread the word.

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